We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Wednesday, August 16, 2017

A Meme Day


Anonymous said...

Second meme is lost on the seeker mentality churches. A small faithful church that possesses and lives the truth is beautiful in the Lord's sight.


Martha said...

Hillsong and Vineyard music is played in all of the various churches that I have attended in the last few years, a believer cannot escape this type of music and theology that accompanies it. The Jesus Culture is the bread and butter of all of the mega churches from E-Free to Assemblies of God, right down to the smallest Baptist church on the corner that claims to know a jesus better than the rest of us. (And tattooing has become the norm in that small Baptist church. Folks there claim god told them the scripture verse or the religious phrase they should have permanently marked on their skin! No kidding. And it accompanies that popular religious mantra "growing deeper with god" in the religious setting of this church.)

And another side effect that I am witnessing amongst the Jesus culture movement and the songs that accompany them is this; the grossest form of sexual sins possible coming from the depravity of this whole apostate system. And Revelation said this would happen within the false church system.

Better to fellowship with a few born again believers than a whole group of heretics.


Glenn E. Chatfield said...


Yep, the invasion of the church by this stuff is devastating. That's why I wrote this article;

Marshal Art said...

Not familiar with Hillsong or Vineyard music. The church I attend (the few times I can with my current work schedule) has lyrics posted on big screens, and when the song is ending one can see publishing and composer info at the bottom. I'll look to see if either of these names appear. I'm not keen on the music at the services I am able to attend...I prefer the traditional hymm to the contemporary...but the message of the sermons seems to me to be sound.

I would suggest that it is possible that some of these songs might indeed by sound, and that there is really no threat to those who are devoted to an otherwise Biblically sound congregation.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


Well, take a look at my article about Hillsong and Bethel:

I don't care how biblically sound the lyrics are, by using their stuff we are enriching them and helping to enlarge their domain of false teachings. I think if you read the article you'll understand the problem.

Marshal Art said...

Without having read your link (I'll get to it eventually just to be informed), I would respond that I have no idea whether or not the songs used by my church are putting money in the pockets of these outfits. For all I know, they are simply grabbing them off the internet and acknowledging who wrote and owns them for legal protection. That is, if such songs are even available and accessible without paying for them. I have no idea.

Should that be the case, what then?

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Churches actually pay for the use of their songs, going through some main organization. I'm not sure how it all works, but it's some sort of subscription. When I used to do the sound, the guy next to me did the overheads with the music and had to select from either hymnal stuff or a file on the computer which was a paid-for thing.

Even if they weren't paid for, the fact that the name of these groups are broadcast to everyone in the audience shows the audience tacit approval of these groups. We should never show any approval for heretical groups.

Do read my article -- I think you will understand the issue better.