We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Friday, November 29, 2013

Did They Really Say That?!?

Joel Osteen, when discussing John the Baptist’s birth, told why God took away Zechariah’s speech when he doubted the angel’s message:
“Why did God take away his speech?  It’s because God knew that Zechariah’s negative words would cancel out His plan.... See, God knows the power of our words.  He knows we prophesy our future.  And He knew Zechariah’s own negative words would stop His plan.”

Joel Osteen, Discover the Champion in You, TBN 5/3/04.  Cited by Hank Hanegraaff in Christianity in Crisis, 21st Century, p.xiv

So, Joel thinks that we have the ability to prophesy our future just by saying what we want it to be?  And if we have “negative words” about things in our life, we can cancel out any plans God has for us?!?!

Can anyone show me from Scripture where our words have any power over God?  Can anyone show me from Scripture where anything we do can cancel out God’s plans?

This is more evidence that Joel Osteen teaches heresy, and that he is not a Christian.  His god is one made up in the same way Mormons make up their god.  Then again, this is a man who said Mormons are Christians and that he believes in the same Christ as they do.  This makes Osteen an idolater.


Neil said...

I hadn't seen that quote. Yes, Osteen worships a made-up god.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Yeah, it took me by surprise, too. But, after all, it is typical Word of Faith teachings.

Joe said...

Joel Osteen makes it up as he goes along. He does not realize that everything you need to know about God is found in the word of God. Nothing you need to know about God is NOT found in the word of God. Anything you THINK you know about God that's not in the word of God you just made up.

He specializes in the last sentence.

Anonymous said...

Good catch Glenn.
They don't teach God's Faith (taking God at His Word) tell teach the other other guys.

Hennesee Jonsee said...

You're fools. Joel chose some poor wording but our words do have power. And if zechariasis words would have caused doubt in his wife or anyone else that would have changed how God`s plan came to pass. There I worded it different yet said the same thing. My goodness, I'm glad nine of you were my teachers. And all of you judging this man is pretty anti biblical. As for Mormons they do believe in Jesus they believe in other too, that's the challenge they have. Remove your plans before trying to remove someone else's spec.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Hennesee Jonsee

I suggest that instead of calling names, you prove your case from Scripture. Of course without twisting the Bible beyond recognition, you will find nothing which says our words have power. Osteen’s whole claim is nonsense, as I pointed out in my comment about his quote.

God doesn’t change His plans just because someone doubts. Rewording it didn’t make it true. You have been deceived to think otherwise.

You say that judging Osteen is “anti-biblical.” Firstly, I didn’t judge Osteen - I judged his teaching. And that is what we are told to do in Scripture. We are to judge teachings, and, like the Bereans, we will be more noble for doing so.

Mormons worship a the “different Jesus” which Paul talks about in Gal. 1. Mormons are not Christians by any historical and biblical understanding of the word. If you wish to discuss Mormonism, feel free to email me, but that is not the topic of this post.