We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Tuesday, April 23, 2019

John 6 and The Last Supper


It is imperative to recognize that John 6 does not deal directly with the Last Supper, or with the breaking of the bread. That’s worth repeating. John chapter 6 has nothing to do with the Last Supper! … John deals with the Last Supper starting in chapter 13, but chapter 6 is a separate subject. In chapter 6, Jesus never even alludes to a procedure to follow concerning the Communion meal, nor does He tell His disciples to institute a priesthood that will consecrate bread and turn it into his literal flesh. Nor does He teach here, or anywhere in the Bible, to worship His body and blood under the appearance of bread.

Roger Oakland with Jim Tetlow, Another Jesus? The Eucharistic Christ and the New Evangelization, pg. 47, 48

8 comments:

Jesse said...

Excuse me for butting in. This statement I will comment on:

"John chapter 6 has nothing to do with the Last Supper!"

I personally would say that this in itself is probably not the best argument to use, as the Bread of Life Discourse and Last Supper indeed communicate directly related themes.

The rest of the quote is fine. I deal more with this issue here:

https://rationalchristiandiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-lords-supper-literal-or-symbolic.html

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Jesse,

No, the themes are only related in that he refers to bread as being analogous to himself in both places. But the context of the first has nothing to do with the context of the second. John 6 has absolutely nothing to do with the last supper. Catholics have to grab it to apply to it so as to fit their idolatry of the Mass.

And your link is gone.

Jesse said...

I just tried the link and it worked.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Don't know what happened, but it works now. Good article!

Anonymous said...

John 6:63, Jesus explains that He is speaking spiritually, not literally. :) And of course the book of Hebrews makes it abundantly clear that Jesus sacrificed Himself ONE time for ALL sin.

Always a good Scripture passage to clarify. Thanks Glenn, and Jesse.

-Carolyn

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Anonymous Papist, 



You really need to give it up and troll elsewhere. Your comments will not be published.

Oakland and Tetlow do indeed fully understand the Papist idolatry of the Mass/eucharist, so you libel them by claiming otherwise. They do not “bash” papism, they expose it for what it is. And the early “church fathers” show no mention of pretending that the eucharist is literally Jesus’ blood and body, so you libel them also.

We fully understand the Mariolatry of Papism, as you can read in my article here:
https://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2010/06/mary-mother-of-church-is-not-mary-of.html

And “Tradition” as Rome teaches it is totally unbiblical, as I demonstrate here:
https://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2017/05/rome-and-tradition.html

The Lord has “manifested” himself through Scripture, and not ongoing revelation to the Papist church. Try reading your Bible without the assistance of Papist doctrines.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Anonymous Papist Troll,

You prove your argument is bad when you resort to nasty name-calling. Too funny!

Jesse said...

"[John] 6:63 Spirit...flesh...words. When Jesus has ascended where He was before, He will bestow the Spirit on those who believe in Him (7:39). The Spirit will lead those who believe into all truth (16:13); He will enable the believer to apprehend that the flesh of Jesus, which in itself is of no more avail than any human flesh, is the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, given for the life of the world (6:51). The Spirit will recall and confirm in the believer the words of Jesus which gave His flesh this significance and power (14:26); thus the Spirit will give life."

Martin Franzmann, Concordia Self-study Commentary [commentary on John], p. 92