We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Saturday, May 1, 2010

Let Her Be Veiled?

This is a subject I decided to tackle because Thursday night I again saw a family in which the females all wore what they considered to be a “head covering” (a small piece of fabric pinned just in front of a bun of hair). We were involved with a family several years ago who wore head coverings a bit larger on flowing hair, and we live in an area teaming with Amish and Mennonites who wear anything from a doily to a stiff bun-cover to a huge bonnet. From my experience, those who practice the wearing of head coverings for the women are always involved in some sort of legalistic group, and many legalistic home-schoolers have taken to this practice. For these reasons I did a thorough study of the issue several years ago, and it is that study I have modified and shortened for this post.

Before I go farther, let me state that I reviewed 26 English translations of the Bible and 20 commentaries from many viewpoints, including the small book, “…let her be veiled,” which was given to me as a proof of the correctness of women wearing a head covering all the time.

Women wearing head coverings is mentioned only once in Scripture. The context begins at 1 Corinthians 7:1, where Paul begins addressing questions that were written to him. He does not address their worship meetings until 1 Cor. 11:17 - the verse which follows this section, which immediately refutes the idea that a woman should wear a head covering for worship.

My commentary will attempt to answer the following questions from my layman‘s understanding:
1. Is the head covering the woman's hair?
2. Is the head covering cultural or for all time?
3. Is the head covering for all women or just those who are married?
4. When should the head covering be worn?
5. Why should the head covering be worn?
6. What form should the head covering take?

Let’s first look at the text, and I’ll use the NIV. 1 Cor. 11:3-16:
(3) Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. (4) Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. (5) And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. (6) If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. (7) A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. (8) For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; (9) neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. (10) For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. (11) In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. (12) For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. (13) Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? (14) Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, (15) but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. (16) If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice - nor do the churches of God.

Verses 4-7 and 10 are the actual instructions, while the remainder of the text gives the reasons.

Is the head covering the woman's hair?
Because v. 15 says the woman's long hair was given to her for a covering, does this mean that the hair is the covering discussed as some claim? If that is the case, then, in context of the man having no covering, the man would have to be shaved! Logic dictates that this is wrong, so hair could not be the context of vv.4-10. V.6 says if her head isn't covered, she should be shorn; this implies that she has hair already and that the covering is something separate. Even v.5 seems to imply that she has hair. So, what is the purpose of vv.14-15? I think it is to demonstrate that as in the natural realm God has given the woman long hair for a covering, so in the realm of relationships between men and women there should also be a separate covering - it is an analogy. So, the answer to this question is that the hair is not the covering spoken of.

Was the head covering just cultural as most claim today?
Paul's argument is about the relationships established between God and Christ, Christ and man, and man and woman. This argument transcends culture, so that would make this argument for all time and all cultures. Additionally, chapter 1:2 says, "To the church at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ - their Lord and ours..." This says the instructions in this letter are for "all those everywhere" who are Christians, and that it was not confined to any culture.

Is the head covering for all women or just those who are married?
Most Bible translations have the context of husbands and wives. Since the argument appears to be in relation to a woman and her husband, single women are not included, let alone young girls. Even the requirement of verse 10 is in light of the husband/wife relationship in most of the translations I read. But then, what about single women - should they not be covered? If we translate all verses to just "man" and "woman," which I understand the Greek permits, the text looks just like that of NIV. In this case, ALL women are included, and this actually makes sense in light of Paul's overall argument of the relation of men to women. Verse 10 just says it is a sign of authority; it doesn't say whose authority. In the passage, the reason given (that woman is the glory of man, that she came from man, and was created for man) is not relegated to married women. But then, whose authority are single women then under? I would say their father or an elder maybe? It doesn’t say, so we can only speculate.

An interesting consideration is Paul's appeal to nature in relation to hair length. He says the long hair is given a woman for her covering. This would be a covering for all women, including those unmarried. I think a possible understanding of this passage is this: Woman was given long hair as a natural covering. As long as she is a single woman this is all she needs before God but, once she is married, her husband is her head and so she should cover her own glory to show she is now under his authority.

For the sake of being conservative, let's assume all women, married or single, should be covered. Then the question becomes, at what age would it be appropriate for a girl to begin wearing a head covering, if it is desired as a sign of being under her father's (or other man's) authority? I would suggest it would necessarily be when she is old enough to have a scriptural foundation and understand the purpose. This may very well be around the time of puberty, as Tertullian and other early church leaders suggested, or at least when of marriageable age.

When should the woman have her head covered?
Here is the sticky point. The context is NOT just at worship. As previously pointed out, instructions in relation to worship meetings begin after this discussion - at v.17. Paul’s instructions are for "praying" or "prophesying." Alexander Strauch points out that, by the Greek construction, this must be audible and public, so that the symbolism is meaningful; if a woman is praying silently, how would anyone know she is doing so, and how would a symbol then mean anything? So then, I think that the covering should be worn whenever the woman is participating in a prayer meeting where she would join in audible prayer. As for prophesying, I believe direct revelation from God has ceased, so this would not be a consideration.

Some feel that it should be worn at all times because one may be at prayer at any given moment; this seems to be the teachings of the Amish and others who have adopted the tradition. As Strauch points out, the logic would then need to be applied to men, that they could never wear anything on their heads. And yet every one I have seen practice the head covering tradition have no problem with men wearing hats, and Amish and Mennonite men wear hats often! So they pick part of the passage to force women to be covered, yet ignore the other part that says they are NOT to be covered.

Interesting considerations here would be to look at 1 Tim. 2:9 and 1 Pet. 3:3. To Timothy, Paul talks about dressing modestly, describing the hair but not saying that modest dress should include covering that hair or even just the head; if the head was to be covered always, would he not have so stated here? Peter also address a woman's hair by saying not to let the braided hair be her beauty; if her head was to be covered always, no one would see her hair to begin with!

What if a woman is somewhere without her head covering, or has never been taught the practice - does God honor her prayer? As with other signs, I believe the whole thing boils down to a heart attitude. If the woman forgets her covering and wants to participate in a prayer meeting, I believe God honors her because of her attitude; she has a submissive attitude that correlates with the sign.

Another argument for continuous wear is that it would be a constant reminder to the wife (single woman) that she is under her husband's (father's) authority. This is adding to the text something not there.

I think the only thing we can determine from the text is that the woman should wear a covering if she is praying or prophesying, regardless of location or setting. And since prophecy is no longer being revealed, current practice would only be for prayer.

Why is it worn? What about the angels; what do they have to do with it?
Commentaries making modesty a reason for the veiling are eisegesis; modesty is not mentioned in our subject text. Paul says the reason the covering is worn is that woman is the glory of man, that she came from man, and was created for man AND, because of the angels she should have a sign of authority on her head. The head covering is obviously considered a sign of authority to those who see it, including angels. But why do the angels need to see a sign of authority on a woman's head? A review of the commentaries gave me some insight:

I learned that the good angels watch over us, minister to us, and are interested in the gospel message. They should see proper attitudes towards God when observing us. Since the angels are veiled as a sign of their subordination to God, their head, they would expect a woman to be veiled as a sign of her subordination to her husband (or father?), who is her head.

But the bad angels have a different problem. They see the beautiful hair, and are enticed by the woman. However, if she has a sign of being under someone's authority, this says to the bad angels that she is protected from them.

Could not single women also wear the covering as a sign here? There is no proscription as I see it, and if the angels are indeed attracted to the beauty of the hair, then it wouldn't matter if the woman was married or single.

What form should the head-covering take?
Since the Greek word for veil means "something that covers completely and hangs down," I would say the covering should be something the woman can drape over her head at the time of prayer, such as a scarf or shawl. The idea is obviously to drape over the head an item that covers it. I do think it is enlightening that the art from early Christian times shows various forms. The attitude of the heart has to be in line with the sign. If the attitude is to just wear a tiny doily so no one would even notice the sign, or to fulfill a legal requirement, then the purpose is defeated. And a small doily certainly doesn’t cover completely and hang down!

Okay, so what is the ultimate lesson to learn here?

Firstly, I think the idea of a woman wearing a head covering was intended to be a forever sort of thing, but it is not a salvation issue, and I think for that main reason our culture has left the teaching behind. (It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Church began teaching the wearing of a covering for audible prayer.)

Secondly, those who claim a woman should wear a covering at all times are adding to Scripture, and ignore the fact that a man could then never wear a hat. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander; if you are going to make your women wear a head covering all the time, then you’d better not ever have a hat on your head! You can’t just take part of the verse as being applicable and throw the other part out.

Thirdly, those who wear little fabric patches or doilies are not in compliance with the teaching of the text. Those things do not “cover completely” or “hang down.”

So, to sum the whole thing up, IF you choose in your tradition to wear a head covering, then do it when and how the Bible says: just during audible, public prayer - and have a real covering. Otherwise all you are doing is forcing on the women your own legalistic ideas. Let’s free Christian women from this legalistic bondage!

4/5/19 Addendum: Here is an interesting take on this issue--I don't agree with it, but found it interesting:
James B. Hurley [in Man and Woman in Biblical Perspective ,pp.45-47, 66-68, 162-171, 178-9, and 254-72 ] gives us a thorough treatment of “veils.” He points out that the Old Testament contains no law about wearing a veil, and that the Hebrew and Graeco-Roman custom was for women to be normally unveiled. In both cultures too it was usual for women to put their hair up: loosed or hanging hair was a sign either of mourning or of separation from the community (e.g. because of leprosy, Nazirite vows or being suspected of adultery). Dr. Hurley argues , therefore, that the “covering” and “uncovering” Paul mentions refers to the putting up or letting down of the hair. The NIV margin also adopts this interpretation.

John Stott, Decisive Issues Facing Christians Today, pg.283, note 43


Marie said...

Awesome post, Glenn. I appreciated your exegesis. Funny, you said essentially the same thing my pastor did (although you went into much more detail) when I asked him about it.

Steve Bricker said...

Good job with this. I overheard a church leader once say that his wife always wears a hat to meetings out of submission to him. Then he said, "I don't get it." Truer words could not have been spoken, but his wife got it.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

I don't understand what this; do you mean the leader had no clue about the covering or that the wife was not wearing it biblically?

My experience with the Plymouth Brethren is that they use it improperly. They have the women wearing a covering for worship meetings, yet they do not let women speak. If a woman is not going to be praying audibly in the assembly, then she doesn't need a head covering.

Steve Bricker said...


The church leader did not understand the concept of a covering.

PBers are inconsistent if the gathering begins in 11:17, where it is explicitly stated as such. I should have read your statements a bit more closely. I think verses 2 and 17 are comparisons having the same meeting context. But i could be wrong.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Hi Steve,
OH, the leader didn't know. Shows they aren't as Bible literate as they ought to be. :oD

As for the context, at 7:1 Paul had just finished a bunch of teachings on various issues, and then he says, "Now, for the matters you wrote about..." and he begins responding to obvious questions. First, the issue of marriage, then about virgins (7:25), then about food sacrificed to idols (8:1), which leads into a dissertation about freedom of the believer vs idolatry which can be involved, and this lasts up to 11:2. Then he starts in on the issue of headship and head coverings, totally apart from the context of worship. In vs. 17 he starts a new thought when he says, "In the following directives I have no praise for you..." There is a very obvious break between the discussion of headship and "the following directives" in which he discusses the Lord's table.

The problem is that many Bibles, including the NIV I'm citing from, have a superscript beginning at vs. 2 saying from that point on it is about "propriety in worship." NAS says "Discussion Concerning Public Worship." GWN says, "Advice about worship." NET is more accurate and just says "Women's Head Coverings," although to be precise it should say "Head coverings" since men and women are discussed. Indeed, ESV says "Headcoverings". HCSB says, "Instructions about Head Coverings."

The point is, worship is not mentioned in the section from vs. 2 through vs. 16, so the implication is that the instructions are for any time and not just at worship. So the PB requiring coverings for worship are misapplying the passage.

This superscript is obviously a bias and helps those who want to make it a cultural issue.

Drew said...

I don't agree that head coverings are necessarily supposed to be a forever thing. I think the more appropriate interpretation is that humility and submission among women are to be forever things. The purpose of the hats was obviously to symbolize man's authority, but most people today don't view hats as a symbol for anyone's authority.

It's *possible* that God wants all women to participate in this practice now, but I definitely don't think the appeal to Genesis proves it. The suggestion about the angels is interesting and comes closer to proving it, but I'm not sure exactly where you got the idea from that angels are veiled.

Some people also use this passage to declare that it's sinful or somehow bad for men to wear long hair. That *may* be a proper interpretation, but I haven't heard any real good explanations for how to reconcile that idea with Samson.

Overall, it's perfectly reasonable in my mind to conclude that the submission part is universal but the dress code may or may not be universal. And the main reason for holding that position would be that the Bible doesn't seem to speak about any of this stuff elsewhere.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Hi Drew,

Please forgive my delay in posting your comment and responding to it. I have spent little time home the past few days!

Anyway, as I pointed out, Paul gives the teaching about the eternal order of headship as a reason for the wearing of the head-covering. This order of headship is a forever thing, which would tell me the head-covering would be a forever thing. He never mentioned anything about any particular culture - his two reasons given for the head-covering were the eternal headship order (using creation order as an example), and “because of the angels.”

You mentioned “hats,” but the “veiling,” as I noted, was "something that covers completely and hangs down,” which a hat does not do. I think if women had continued with the tradition, and it was taught in the church, people would have recognized the symbol. I see many churches where women wear hats, but from my experience it is because they don’t understand the passage, and usually because they’ve learned the tradition.

The appeal for continual practice wasn’t just to Genesis, it was to Paul’s discussion of headship order which originated with Genesis. But the headship order of God/Christ, Christ/Man is eternal and Man/Woman (wife) will be until the resurrection.

As for the angels being veiled, in The International Bible Commentary, with general editor F.F. Bruce, the commentary on 1 Cor. is by Paul W. Marsh. He refers to Isa. 6:2, with the angels covering their faces as veiling themselves.

As for hair length, I think the idea, which I have gleaned from many commentaries, is not so much the length (what is long or short?) but how it is worn; sort of a way to distinguish the sexes. Long, feminine-looking hair on a man would not distinguish him from women. Short, “butch” haircuts on women certainly tend to make them look masculine. That’s just my best guess.

Your note that the Bible doesn’t speak of it elsewhere isn’t justification for denying its universality. Paul explained it thoroughly to the Corinthians because they obviously questioned him about it. Letters to other churches would not mention something they did not have a problem with.

Again, it is not a salvation issue, but I do think the context of the reasons why the head-covering was important demonstrate that it was to be a forever thing.

Martha said...

I believe you ignored a subset of covering women. I cover all the time out of convenience. I am always ready to pray when the Spirit moves, rather than searching about for a covering and delaying my prayers (and usually getting side tracked, as a mom of 6 homeschooled children). My husband and sons have no time delay or distractions (usually) when they remove a hat to pray. Plus, as you yourself pointed out, hats don't hang down, so clearly they are not the type of covering Paul is discussing.

One question, do you have no problem with men wearing hats in church and only removing them when they are praying out loud?

Finally, as a homeschooling mom, I am frequently telling forth the Word of God to my children, which would qualify as prophesying in some interpretations. (Being reformed in my theology, I don't hold to the Christian fortune-teller view of modern day prphets.) So I cover all the time so it is more convenient to do that.

May God bless you as you seek to glorify Him!

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Hi Martha,

Here’s the thing, the intent of the passage is “public and audible” prayer and prophecy. I don’t think the privacy of one’s home is “public” even if it is audible. And, as I pointed out, this isn’t a legalistic thing and the Lord honors the heart, not whether or not you can get something quickly on your head.

Teaching the Word is NOT prophecy, no matter what some like to claim. No place in Scripture will you find teaching the Word, reading the Word, ever called “prophecy.” Prophecy is only that which is directly revealed by God, whether it is for the present edification/instruction (as during NT since the NT was not available) or foretelling the future. So teaching the Word does not come under the need for head-covering.

As for wearing hats in church, I think proper decorum is that men should not wear hats indoors at all. It used to be taught that way, but our society has become so ill-mannered that people see no problem sitting in pews drinking coffee and eating doughnuts!

As for wearing the covering 24/7 for convenience, may I suggest it is because you have a wrong understanding of when and why, which leads to the tradition? If you really think about it, outside your home or in a Bible study group, how often do you pray publicly and audibly?

Anonymous said...

Hi, I left a comment yesterday about the idea that prayer should be audible and public. I read your post again and saw that you based this on the Greek word used for prayer. However, the same Greek word is used in Matthew 6:5-6 where it says to not pray in public but to pray in secret. So clearly the word prayer is not limited to public prayer.
I love your post though and you presented your thoughts in such a clear way! Thank you, Hanna.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Hi Hanna,

I received no comment yesterday, so perhaps an error took place.

I think if you'll take a look, I didn't say the word used for prayer meant it was to be public and audible, rather I quoted an author (who knows Greek) who stated the construction of the passage meant public and audible.

I don't know Greek, so I have to take the word of scholars I trust.

Anonymous said...

Hi Glenn, thank you for taking the time to read my comment and answering it so quickly!
I don't know Greek either, but now there are a lot of helpful tools online. One that I like is a Greek concordance - it lists each time a specific Greek word is used in the New Testament.
The following link shows all passages that use the word "to pray" (proseuchomai):
Just looking at how the Greek word is used in the different passages, it is clear to me that it refers both to public and private prayer.
Thanks, Hanna

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Hi Hanna,

I have many helps in my personal library, from Vine's to interlinear Bibles and lexicons. But, while those may define the words, they don't really define the nuances of the structure of the passage in which they are used.

Strauch points out that "prays or prophecies" is the structure - two things that are compared. Prophecy is always audible, so to place prayer with prophecy in an instruction means there is a comparison - i.e., if the one is audible, then the other must also be. And, if it isn't audible, then the sign of the covering would be pointless because no one would always know if you were silently praying.

So in this context, prayer would have to be audible. Does that make sense?

Unknown said...

Thank you for an interesting article. I will pass on what was revealed to me about head coverings. We cannot truly understand the Word of GOD unless we read it in the Holy Spirit for if we try to understand it through our flesh, then all sorts of different personal interpretations arise.
Christ Jesus explained that if we are One in Him, there is is no Hebrew or Gentile, nor male or female, nor freeman or slave; we are all equal and the same through Christ Jesus in the eyes of our Heavenly Father. A distinction is made between earthly teachings and order, and what is Spiritual. There are instructions for what we are to do, and how we are to behave in the physical realm - our families, work, children, society, etc. - and what is Spiritual, when we are at the Throne of our Heavenly Father, through Christ Jesus, praying, worshiping, and praising GOD. As a female my 'head' is my husband or father, depending on my marital status or age. When I am at the Throne of my Heavenly Father in prayer, worship, or praise, I cover my 'head' which is my husband (or father), and go directly to Christ Jesus, my Spiritual Head, which is the Door to my Heavenly Father. It has nothing to do with the physical covering of your 'head' with a piece of cloth, but with the Spiritual covering of your 'head' (your husband or father) in order to be able to go directly to our True Spiritual Head, the Head of the Body of Christ Jesus. That is what apostle Paul is instructing the Believers in Christ Jesus in 1COR11. Women are instructed by apostle Paul to cover their 'head', their earthly husband or father, and go directly to Christ Jesus our High Priest. Men are instructed NOT to cover their head, because their head is Christ Jesus. All are viewed as equal in the eyes of our Heavenly Father through the Blood and Perfect Sacrifice of Christ Jesus, His Son, whether a child, a married or unmarried woman, or a married or unmarried man. Our Heavenly Father is no respecter of people. Our instructions to live a Godly life in the physical realm should not be mixed with what is Spiritual, of the Holy Spirit of GOD. So to sum it up, woman do not need to put a piece of cloth on their head to be with Christ Jesus or our Heavenly Father. Thank you for your article!

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


With all due respect, your understanding is in error. Perhaps it is because you believe what you are thinking to be from the Holy Spirit -- but the Holy Spirit does not give us personal revelations.

I demonstrated from Scripture exactly what this passage is about, and that women should indeed cover their heads while publicly and audibly praying.

The Galatians passage means that concerning salvation we are all equal before God, but men and women have different roles in the family and different roles in the Church. That doesn't make them unequal, it just means God made them for different roles.

Unknown said...

Thank you sir for your response. With all due respect, I disagree that women should indeed cover their heads while praying publicly, whether audible or not. I pray at church and at home without putting a piece of cloth on my head because I understand, through Scripture, that my Heavenly Father hears my prayer, whether or not I have a piece of cloth on my head, am wearing a hat, etc.
Thank you Christ Jesus, for you told us Your yoke was easy! And apostle Paul in Galatians taught us not to return to religious observances, or man-made rules or rituals, for we become right with God only by Faith in Christ Jesus, not by any of our works! I do know there is controversy now with the Islam religion that requires woman to cover their head (Hijab), but that is not my culture, here in the USA, nor is my religion Muslim. Yes sir, as Christians, we do have different roles in the family and different roles in the Church, but Scripture also tells us that Christ Jesus is the Head of His Church and we are the Body, and that nobody goes to the Father unless they go through the Head, which is Christ Jesus...and that is why we woman cover our head. Our difference is I understand apostle Paul's words in the Spirit where you are understanding literally. That is okay though, we can agree to disagree.
And also these Scriptures are important, for we are all responsible for our own Salvation with Christ Jesus, and we work on our Salvation through Christ Jesus in fear and trembling, and the Holy Spirit Teaches us and Comforts us as we Walk with our LORD and Savior.

"These things I have spoken to you, while I am still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My Name, He will Teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." {JOHN14:25-26}.

"I write this to you about those who would deceive you; but the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you, as His anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in Him." {1JOHN2:26-27}.

We are instructed by Christ Jesus and the apostles to learn through the Holy Spirit, that He will Teach us and reveal what we need to know.
Thank you sir for letting me express my Belief, and although we don't agree on this, we are still Brethren in the Body of Christ Jesus. God Bless you!

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


I demonstrated from Scripture what it says, and you have provided no Scriptural evidence for your claims. You say the head-covering is “spiritual,” but that is not what the text say. You can’t just take your ideas to the text and make them say what they don’t say!
Again, the text isn’t about the wearing of the head covering for anything other than audible, public prayer and prophesy; since there is no prophesy today the only thing concerning us is prayer.

The hijab of Islam has nothing to do with Christianity’s head-covering -- absolutely nothing.

Looking at your Google profile, I see the following:
You promote “Elevation Worship,” which is part of false teacher Steven Furtick’s Elevation Church.

You share “Council of Time” which allows people to “share dreams and visions,” which is also unbiblical.

You appear to be a follower of “Messianic Judaism” or “Hebrews Roots Movements,” both of which are aberrations with false teachings.

You promote and follow those who claim to receive special revelations, which is a false teaching -- no one receives special revelations from God today. “Rachel” lies when she says the Holy Spirit talks to her.

All this explains why you think you have special revelations from the Holy Spirit and have decided that what you don’t like in Paul’s teachings is “spiritual” regardless of the plain reading of the text.

I will not agree to your disagreement any more than I would “agree to disagree” with Mormon doctrine. The truth is more important than “agreeing to disagree.” You really need to study some good teachers and learn biblical discernment, and I do pray that you open your mind to the truth.

Esther Funke said...

Thank you for the article. I will like to add that prophecy has not ceased. There is no where in scripture that God said prophecy would cease except all other gifts of the spirit too has ceased. Remember Apostle Paul admonished us to desire the gift of prophecy. I know of people in my church who have this gift and who desired the gift and got it. Thank you.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


Prophecy has indeed ceased. We have the Canon of Scripture. Prophecy would add to that.

People claiming prophecy never have true prophecies.

Anonymous said...

I found it strange that Glenn said that "because of angels" refers to a kind of physical attraction that angels have for women's hair. In addition to sounding a bit bizarre, one can imagine that an angel can see what is behind a veil, and this would imply that the woman should wear a veil all the time (not only during prayer, as he says), since anytime she removed her veil the angels would see her without the veil. Anyway, I like Norman Geisler's explanation in "The Big Book of Bible Difficulties: Clear and Concise Answers from Genesis to Revelation", where he writes:

Several considerations will shed light on this difficult problem. First, we need to distinguish between the meaning of the text and its significance. Meaning is what it tells people in that culture, and significance is how it applies in our present day. There is no doubt about its meaning.The text means exactly what he says.When the women in Corinth removed their veils and prayed in the church, they dishonored their heads (the husband, 11:3, 7, 9, 11). In those days, the veil was a symbol of a woman's respect for her husband's. In such a cultural context, it was imperative that the woman wear the veil in church when praying or prophesying Second, there is a difference between commandment Scripture commandments are absolute - culture is relative. For example, there are few who believe that the command Jesus gave to his disciples not to carry an extra pair of sandals still applies today, in su evangelistic journeys, and most Christians literally no longer greet "all the brethren with a holy kiss" (1 Thess 5:26, NIV). Nor do they believe that raising "holy hands" during prayer is essential in public prayer (1 Tim. 2:8). There is a principle behind each of these commandments that is absolute, but its practice is not. What the believer must do is absolute, but how to do it is relative, depending on the culture. For example, Christians should greet each other (ie "what"); but how they greet each other is relative to their respective cultures. In some cultures, as in the NT, it's with a kiss; in others it is with a hug; and yet others are with a handshake. Many biblical scholars believe that this principle is also true of wearing the veil. That is, that women in all cultures and at any time in history must show respect for their husbands (the "what"), but "how" such respect should not always be evidenced with a veil . For example, it could be by wearing a wedding ring or by any other cultural symbol"

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


As for angels, no the cannot see thru things -- nothing in Scripture say so. But it does speak of angels (sons of God) having sexual relations with women ("daughters of men").

Geisler is usually pretty good, but that doesn't mean he is always correct. Read my article again and see why I say it isn't a cultural thing.

Paul didn't gives this command as a cultural thing, rather he detailed why it was to be done.