We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Thursday, November 9, 2023

Deliverance Ministries--FRAUDS


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Anonymous said...

Hi Glenn, this is a subject I have thought about in my time, and seek to avoid extremes. Demons are everywhere versus this isn't for today.

Col 1 is one of may favourite 'deliverance' passages too, and I also believe that believer's baptism can also help effect salvation and deliverance (baptism now saves you). To help you get into the good of what is already yours.

I don't believe Christians can be demon-possessed, unhappy terminology from the KJV. I do however believe Christians can be oppressed and got at, infiltrated if you like, and that prayer may be necessary to re-estabilish their liberation from the world the flesh and the devil. Especially where the latter has obtained a bridgehead (Eph 4 27) into a believer's life. Sometimes the language of casting out demons is used for this, but I wonder if resist the devil and he will flee from you is essentially the same thing.

Bishop Gavin Ashenden whilst still in Anglican ministry related an incident on Anglican Unscripted (sorry I can't find it again) of a Christian girl who got entangled and ensnared in the New Age, and tells how he prayed for her, addressing the spirit/demon behind this and commanded it to leave - normal voice, no shouting in an American accent! She blinked and said 'I don't know what came over me' and resumed her normal Christian life.

I think there is a pastoral ministry in this realm, for suitable mature believers filled with the Spirit and thoroughly grounded in scripture, but it is very far removed from the charlatans you have posted here. They are on a power trip and their gullible followers need deliverance from them! The ones who will say 'didn't we cast out demons in your name' and he will reply 'depart from me I never knew you'.

Ken B

November 19, 2023 at 10:31 AM
Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Ken,
First, baptism saves no one. The statement is what precedes the baptism--placing one's faith in salvation through Christ. Without that baptism is just being dunked in the water. Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine.

Nowhere in Scripture does it even hint that Christians can be possessed. Any "casting out demon" language used for people falling into deep sin (not being demon oppressed or infiltrated--not even hinted at in scripture) won't help them one bit. The anecdote by the Bishop assumes the woman was a true believer to begin with.

November 19, 2023 at 1:20 PM
Glenn E. Chatfield said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXYM6ZPUr8c

November 19, 2023 at 4:39 PM

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