Not only is Moore a horrid teacher, she’s also not too smart/lacking common sense to be hanging around with heretics and apostates.
And if you were just dying to see Beth’s morning workout….
How can any Christian justify supporting this apostate person?!?
Lifestyles of the mega-rich pastors with estates and private jets: You’ll be shocked to see who is among them (OK it’s Beth Moore)
She has raised a straw man when told that women are not to be leaders in the church nor teaching over men in the assembly
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I've seen egalitarians delighted at the prospect that Moore may be allowed to preach from a pulpit on a Sunday (the point being the setting aside of 1 Tim 2, not the pulpit), yet they are indifferent to her various strange teachings.
I would have thought if you wanted to try to show women should be pastor-teachers you would find someone who was doctrinally sound to use as your example. Instead they use someone who is an example of why Paul forbade this for the church. It really is as though a bit of false or misleading teaching is a price worth paying to achieve 'equality'.
Of course (if it needs saying) the NT itself ought to be the sole arbitur of this issue, read carefully and thoughtfully and then obeyed. Neither adding to what Paul did not allow, as is the habit of some, nor allowing what he clearly forbade.
Ken B
Hi Glenn,
As briefly as possible.
First, this BM situation is discouraging. While it's true that she is unsound and is a false teacher (and plenty of evidence exists to prove those points), I was disappointed to read MacArthur's response as noted in the Christian Post.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/john-macarthur-clarifies-views-on-beth-moore-women-preachers-empowering-women-makes-weak-men.html
While he is theologically correct that women cannot preach, some of his personal comments were, frankly, rude or untrue. He should have stuck with Scripture alone, because the Scriptures are sufficient in themselves in this matter.
To Ken's comment, BM being "an example of why Paul forbade this [women preachers] for the church." Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but on a face value, I'd say your comment is not quite accurate. BM's strange teachings are not the primary issue. ALL women (sound or not) are forbidden from preaching in church simply due to the created order, and for no other reason. Even a doctrinally sound woman is forbidden from preaching.
That said, why are there no doctrinally sound women "preachers"? Easy. Because doctrinally sound women understand that God doesn't allow women to preach, so we don't. The only women who are preaching are ones who are blatantly disregarding the written word of God, which makes them disobedient and disqualified.
-Carolyn
Carolyn - personally I hold to the view that 1 Tim 2 was universal in the early church, and still applies today. Apart from that, I think all gifts and ministries are open to men and women alike according to call and inclination. The restriction on women here is pretty limited. And not many men are called to be pastor teachers either! That leaves plenty of opportunity for everyone else.
My earlier point was intended to illustrate the fact that egalitarians seem to put soundness of doctrine below the priority of having women pastor-teachers. I agree with you that if the basic complementarian position is correct, which I believe it is, then egalitarian attempts to overthrow it are themselves a result of being in deception - like Eve.
I have been debating this on and off with some egalitarians for years, and might I say what an encouragement you are in being a woman and accepting this apostolic doctrine from Paul. I sometimes wonder how many are left who don't reject this teaching because it would curtail their empowerment, reduce their self-esteem or any other reason that gives you the impression Christian ministry is a means of self-fullfullment.
Ken B
I have observed that those who claim, as women, they have been called to preach and lead rely upon a supposed calling of the Holy Spirit, make themselves the centre of such a calling (it is all about them rather than serving others), and never claim that the church as a body of believers has ever recognised such a calling and encouraged them in it. In other words it is always a self-appointment to ministry.
For Ken B,
Thank you for the response, that makes perfect sense! I got your point now, and agree (including that even many men aren't truly qualified to preach; and that many people - men and women - "self-appoint" to ministry), thank you so much for clarifying!
My husband and I just try to take the text of the written Word as straightforwardly as possible.
-Carolyn
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