We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Friday, June 8, 2018

Timothy Keller Is WRONG!

First, we use only professional and/or trained musicians for our worship services, and we pay them all. … Second, we often include no-Christian musicians in our services who have wonderful gifts and talent. … When we invite non-Christians to use their talents in corporate worship, we are simply calling them, along with every other creature, to bring their “peculiar honors” and gifts to praise their Creator.

Timothy Keller, “Reformed Worship in the Global City,” in D.A. Carson, editor, Worship By the Book, pg.238-239.  Cited by Gary E. Gilley, “The New Calvinism,” The Quarterly Journal of Personal Freedom Outreach, Vol.38/No.3, pg.11

Why is he paying musicians — shouldn’t these be members of the congregation giving their talents to the Lord in their worship? With paid musicians you have a concert, not worship.

Has Keller not read 2 Corinthians 6:14? How can non-Christians lead worship if they do not even know God?  And what if they are worshipping an idol? Where does he find in Scripture the people of God inviting pagans to lead them in worship?!

And yet pastors across the nation praise Keller as a teacher, and bring his books, etc into their assemblies for “Adult Education.”  (Remember, Keller is also a theistic evolutionist - a heresy.)


Martha said...

Nope. Young earth creationism is just as wrong as the flat earth theory or the idea that the earth is the center of the universe.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


Have you ever really studied the issue? Young Earth IS the biblical teaching. Old earth is the evolutionist teaching, of which there is absolutely no scientific evidence. All evidence points to young earth.

Anonymous said...

Theologically, only young earth makes sense.

There's a lot of Scriptures one could reference, and I'm sure Glenn could piece together quite a defense from the Word (which Glenn, I bet you already have somewhere on this blog!), but one of the simplest quick answers is this: Scripture says plainly, there was no death before sin (Romans 5:12). None. That means, no dead animals, no dead anything, until Adam and Eve sinned. So all those dinosaur fossils? After Adam and Eve.

And yes, as Glenn said, the scientific evidence confirms a young earth. But the true defense is that the Word teaches a young earth.


Martha said...

We share the same name here Martha! This Martha believes in the young earth as prescribed through God's Word. Much of the scientific industrial complex uses methods based on "theory" such as carbon dating. Since scientists do not know, or will ever truly know the exact age of an object, they have devised theories in molecular structures, calling them facts.

Tis a sad, sad day when we cannot admit that our LORD is all powerful, Sovereign, and all knowing....man still desires to be god in place of the Biblical GOD.

And I'm so incredibly thankful that He is in control of all weather as well.....mankind loves its pride.


Glenn E. Chatfield said...

The whole "Old Earth" philosophy relies on evolutionism, for which no scientific evidence exists. (C14, by the way, is usually a pretty good indicator of age, but it is limited to only about 5,000 years -- too many think it gives older dates.)

What Evolutionism really is, is a philosophy based on speculations, assumptions, and assertions -- just no facts.

Anonymous said...

I'm a gap creationist, and I know that God didn't create the devil! And no, there are NO reputable scientists who affirm this revisionist interpretation of scientific data. The Bible tells us also to examine nature (Psalms 19:1-3; Romans 1:20). OF OLD God has created the earth (Psalm 102:25). Genesis tells us that God created everything in a week; science tells us that such was accomplished millions of years ago.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


The "Gap theory" has been debunked by solid theologians for decades. It doesn't make sense via science or the Bible.

God created all the angels, and satan is an angel.

Try giving me ONE scientifically proven fact about Darwinian evolution -- just one.

Again, God said he created everything in one week of seven 24 hr days. That is exactly what happened.

"Science" so-called invented the idea of millions of years without one iota of factual evidence.