tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post8411804668157676454..comments2024-03-27T19:50:47.426-05:00Comments on The Watchman's Bagpipes: A Grave DisappointmentGlenn E. Chatfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-51108715835208066442019-08-30T01:23:55.967-05:002019-08-30T01:23:55.967-05:00Sounds like a truly cringe-inducing experience!Sounds like a truly cringe-inducing experience!JM1999https://www.blogger.com/profile/18021172040137455414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-85194258816319559122018-01-24T18:07:01.806-06:002018-01-24T18:07:01.806-06:00Heather,
Now, it wasn't so bad as to leave t...Heather, <br /><br />Now, it wasn't so bad as to leave then and there -- I save that for the times the preaching is aberrant or heretical -- I had to do that once.<br /><br />It isn't our assembly that is changing, it's just that when this guy was given the guest spot due to absence of our two main teaching pastors, I don't think they had any idea of how his teaching would be. He grew up in this assembly and is a Moody graduate, and participates in other ministries, including a church-planting in the city. I'll bet they assumed he'd have a better handle on the Scripture and proper teaching methods in order to let him take the place of the two missing guys.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-27563007693417105622018-01-24T18:03:12.822-06:002018-01-24T18:03:12.822-06:00Thad,
I'd think that in Northern Ireland the...Thad, <br /><br />I'd think that in Northern Ireland the church would have to be really pretty solid to defend against Romanism!Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-5329809599969063202018-01-24T18:02:06.296-06:002018-01-24T18:02:06.296-06:00Ken,
The part of Europe this man is heading for is...Ken,<br />The part of Europe this man is heading for is Scandinavia, where supposedly the Christian faith is dying moreso than almost anywhere else in the world.<br /><br />I'd hope that people seeking the Lord won't be satisfied with this type of feel-good sermon.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-85254023655721350522018-01-24T17:59:16.827-06:002018-01-24T17:59:16.827-06:00Martha,
If this wasn't a "one-off" ...Martha,<br /><br />If this wasn't a "one-off" we'd never come back. How long we do stay will depend on how much more of the music choices we can tolerate.<br /><br />As for how he was dressed, it was just nice casual, shirt and slacks. Nothing whacky.<br /><br />I do have to say that in this assembly what emotional music we do have has nothing to do with the offering time, and I don't see it used that way at all. I think it's just that music pastor who finds stuff he likes and knows will keep a younger generation happy, while still using meaty stuff the older generation likes.<br /><br />Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-26718197235627960392018-01-24T17:52:54.843-06:002018-01-24T17:52:54.843-06:00Alec,
I find that "worship" leaders re...Alec, <br /><br />I find that "worship" leaders really don't care what the congregation wants, the only thing that matters to them is what THEY like. I have encountered this a few times, and I know many people with the same complaint.<br /><br />As for discussing the issue with our regular pastor, based on previous discussions I've had with him I don't think it would matter; it would probably end up being just a "matter of viewpoint." After all, nothing this stand-in said was heretical.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-70216538246136670422018-01-24T12:09:03.544-06:002018-01-24T12:09:03.544-06:00Oh my! I think i would have stood up to leave.... ...Oh my! I think i would have stood up to leave.... after asking for a refund. <br />Sounds like your church may be changing. Beware.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06647018884437257004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-42028343346146328682018-01-24T10:11:01.233-06:002018-01-24T10:11:01.233-06:00I agree with Ken/anonymous
I'm from Northern I...I agree with Ken/anonymous<br />I'm from Northern Ireland, I've noticed that many American pastors expect respect because of their title or position - this appears to be the American norm.<br />In Northern Ireland, such a pastor has to 'earn his spurs' and can expect some level or modicum of respect but will be challenged after the sermon.<br />Weak and watery sermons are NOT tolerated here.There would be very little chance of him being in that pulpit again, and the pastor would be taken to task for allowing this to tarnish or blemish the pulpit.<br />ThadThadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-75557195821745324762018-01-24T10:01:39.583-06:002018-01-24T10:01:39.583-06:00Hi Glenn,
Thought you might appreciate this:
&qu...Hi Glenn,<br /><br />Thought you might appreciate this:<br /><br />"The text is sometimes the great safeguard against the sermon." – Charles Porterfield Krauth.<br /><br />AlecAlechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00825239050486476125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-52938005307287197462018-01-23T18:14:53.616-06:002018-01-23T18:14:53.616-06:00Believe me, if your dodgy preacher wants to make a...Believe me, if your dodgy preacher wants to make any impression in Europe apart from a bad one, he will have to do far, far better than this! <br /><br />Europe is culturally miles away from the US, especially in the area of religion - if I attend a German church, it is somewhat culturally different from a British one, but having visited essentially American churches in Germany the culture is even more different, even though the language the same (more or less!!). I'm not saying better or worse, different. <br /><br />There is probably more residual Christian culture in the States than Europe, with more people actually attending a church, even if they don't always take it seriously in their own lives. The departure from Christianity that started after WW1 has continued in Europe more or less unabated since then. Billy Graham might have slowed the decline for a while, but your preacher doesn't sound like he might be another Graham (and I know there are problems with Graham's approach to evangelism).<br /><br />KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-44591103122029747382018-01-23T09:34:59.172-06:002018-01-23T09:34:59.172-06:00Hello Glen,
What a disappointing sermon to listen...Hello Glen,<br /><br />What a disappointing sermon to listen too. It makes one want to stand up and leave the building. Was Ichabod written above the pulpit alter that morning?<br /><br />I was curious how this pastor man dressed. Did he have the cool hair, the Hawaiian button up shirt or some other cool shirt with a colored "T" underneath, jeans, and expensive corded belt, and hip leather shoes to complete his "relevant" ensemble? <br /><br />I heard a similar distortion of our Scriptures in an Assembly of God church, given by a wanna be hipster pastor, who used cute personal stories and quotes from outside sources penned by men, to "complete" the Gospel text found in the Book of Matthew. And he too, praised the Passion of Christ movie, which is total catholic indoctrination. <br /><br />Emotional songs also lead pew sitters into coughing up more and more money for the offering and tithes, which is planned on purpose, Glen. In this way, the more money that is collected by the unknowing, the more funds your church will have to purchase bigger screens, bigger and better sound systems, and more instruments for those who believe they have a "gifting in music".......and who secretly love the applause and praise of men and women after the service......for they are serving the lord of their own egos. <br /><br />In today's so called modern church, entertainment and worship are identical twins. Worship our LORD outside of the entertainment church, and you will be called "unsaved" and "unworthy" by those who love their churches of the almighty entertainment/worship of man cults.<br /><br />Your story is so common, and yet it still grieves my soul.<br />Marthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-88600246715640006412018-01-23T09:26:44.684-06:002018-01-23T09:26:44.684-06:00Ah Glenn,
How awful!
(1) The saddest part to m...Ah Glenn, <br /><br />How awful!<br /><br />(1) The saddest part to me is that the "worship leader" could not care less about how his choice of music is causing distress to the sheep. And the "rule of thumb" is that for each person who complains, many more have the same objection but won't say anything.<br /><br />Romans 14:15 might well apply:<br /><br />"But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died."<br /><br />(2) If you choose to speak to the regular pastor about the sermon, please consider sharing his response. It seems that he ultimately is responsible for the teaching coming from the pulpit to the congregation, at least that's how I understand the pastor's role.<br /><br />God bless you and your wife. <br /><br />AlecAlechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00825239050486476125noreply@blogger.com