tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post4076980486025138806..comments2024-03-27T19:50:47.426-05:00Comments on The Watchman's Bagpipes: Beth Moore ReprisedGlenn E. Chatfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-38901425358061927172012-02-08T12:18:13.789-06:002012-02-08T12:18:13.789-06:00Grieved in the Spirit,
WOW! I would never have b...Grieved in the Spirit,<br /><br />WOW! I would never have believed something like that was possible. That is so very, very sad. That is an assembly who definitely needs the Word of God!!! <br /><br />Just goes to show you the cult mentality of those who follow Beth.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-43000508105054044872012-02-07T10:50:44.907-06:002012-02-07T10:50:44.907-06:00In 2010 my husband whom just past away Nov. 2011 w...In 2010 my husband whom just past away Nov. 2011 was an ordained Baptist Minister,(attended Semenary) went in view of a call to a small Baptist Church, membership probably 150 anyway the men voted for him to come/ but one of the more dominate leaders called my husband aside and said this and I quote<br /> " our church budget is low right now, so on Sunday and Wednesday nights we are running the Beth Moore Series, so we can increase our funds"<br /><br />My husband was so grieved in his spirit that a woman was taking lead in the church and not only that........ they didn't trust God that the budget would increase if a godly minister was to Pastor.<br /><br />Beth does not teach sound doctrine, her teachings personally are very entertaining with much drama.<br /><br />another friend of mine told me that my husband didn't need to be there anyway with that type of mentality and spirit.<br /><br />Thank you for your article of enlightment ________ Grieved In SpiritAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-63886136445888709212011-05-18T15:55:02.883-05:002011-05-18T15:55:02.883-05:00I would say you became a Christian by the Word of ...I would say you became a Christian by the Word of God and not by Beth Moore's teachings.<br /><br />Now, I have said Beth has some good stuff. BUT, her abuse of Scripture, claims of special revelation, and pop-psychology are all bad, and are false teachings. You may find milk from her, but you need to go elsewhere for the meat. God can use anyone's teachings to reach people. Beth was an instrument God used, but that doesn't mean God approves of her false teachings.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-91660940427761468462011-05-18T11:37:11.775-05:002011-05-18T11:37:11.775-05:00What would you say to this- I became a Christian b...What would you say to this- I became a Christian by Beth Moore's teachings. My life has changed and I have encountered God and am now living by the Spirit and not by the flesh.Gretelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-28238278492933225272011-04-06T15:10:32.225-05:002011-04-06T15:10:32.225-05:00Hello Anonymous 4/5
I am disappointed that you fi...Hello Anonymous 4/5<br /><br />I am disappointed that you find my teaching (not “preaching”) to be “thinly veiled criticism.” I thought it was pretty plain criticism!<br /><br />This blog is an apologetics blog, not a gospel-preaching blog. The purpose of my apologetics ministry is to expose false teachings so as to warn Christians away from it - to protect the flock which already has the gospel. It is also to help show those in false systems why they need to leave them. At the same time, I think you will find there are also some posts with some edifying thoughts presented.<br /><br />When I expose church systems for being apostate, it is so people might realize to avoid those places or leave them if they are already there. <br /><br />The Holy Spirit also gives the gift of discernment, and gives the gift of teaching. I believe I have been called to the apologetics ministry for a purpose, and therefore I believe I have the gift of discernment and of teaching.<br /><br />We as Christians are indeed called to “call out” false teachers and false teachings in a very public way. How else are we to protect the flock except by warning them of dangers. Christ himself “called out” the Pharisees in a very public way. Paul in his 1st letter to Timothy even named names. In Ephesians Paul tells us to “expose” the deeds of darkness. It’s the mentality that we aren’t to do so, that allows false teaching to run rampant in our churches, and allows people to be sucked into the cults. Christ is indeed the shepherd, but He has appointed the church to be led by under-shepherds. Those of us in various ministries such as this one are in a position of a shepherd under the under-shepherds.<br /><br />I have never presented myself as being above anyone. You say you find no humility, but I ask you - what are you looking for as an example of humility - that I don’t criticize false teachers? Is it really a sign of pride when one warns others of dangers? And I certainly don’t resort to “name-calling” as you stated.<br /><br />Yes, we are called to preach the Gospel, but we are also called to expose evil. Both go together. “Judge not ...” is in the context of hypocritical judgment, which you will not find here. I certainly look at the log in my own eye first before examining the teachings of others. Remember, we are indeed called to “test all things” - and that IS doing the work of the Lord as we are called to do.<br /><br />“Professional jealousies”? I think you are the one judging motives here. The only “judgment” I make is against teaching, not people. And contrary to your claim, that is what we are indeed supposed to do.<br /><br />Now, my question for you, sir, is where specifically do you find error in what I have said in this post, or in any other? If I have erred, I am more than willing to be corrected, and have corrected many of my posts over the past couple years when errors have been brought to my attention. I examine myself all the time so as to remain humble before the Lord as I do what I believe I have been called in ministry to do.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-76125107190554767172011-04-05T18:03:55.271-05:002011-04-05T18:03:55.271-05:00Hello my dear Brother,
Well, I am disturbed by so...Hello my dear Brother,<br /><br />Well, I am disturbed by something. I notice that your preaching is thinly veiled criticism of other preachers. I fail to see any uplifting of the Holy Name of Jesus or preaching of the Good News here. I see, instead, criticism of Anglicans, Church of Christ, Saddleback Church, almost every denomination there is. It behooves all of us to remember that the Holy Spirit is the discerner--not sinful man. HE reveals discernment to the listening heart. We are not instructd to "call out" others in a very public, "billboard-type" fashion. If you read the Holy Scriptures, you will notice that time and time again, the ones who thought themselves "above" their brothers and sisters, or the "chosen" ones were actually the very ones Jesus had to weep over. I see NO humility in your posts, brother. I see no preaching of the Good News, but a whole lot of finger pointing and name calling. Please remember that you were called to preach the Good News of the Gospel. That Christ is The Way and The Truth. Men and women can never be equal to Him. We have to put on His robe of righteousness because our robes are filthy rags--no matter how much we study or how "good" we perceive ourselves to be. If you preach against sin and for the Good News of Jesus, then the Spirit will convict the hearts of the faithful. We must not try to do His job for Him. Judge not that ye be not judged. <br />It is time to put aside the profesional jealousies. Christ Himself said He has many sheep of other folds and they hear His voice. HE is the Shepherd, not you or I. We cannot pull the splinter from our brother's eye when there is a beam in our own. <br />God bless you and give you courage and love--first for Him, and then for His sheep. Love wins hearts, not judgment. That is God's alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-15791772033481269462011-01-29T16:11:44.825-06:002011-01-29T16:11:44.825-06:00Hello anonymous 1/29,
Since I believe that God le...Hello anonymous 1/29,<br /><br />Since I believe that God led me into the apologetics ministry, I take it very seriously. Not only do I find it important to expose error, but I also find it important to lead people to recognize such error so as to learn better discernment. Which is why I also find it important, when necessary, to respond to commenters who are still in error, hoping that they will see the truth.<br /><br />For those such as yourself who give encouragement, I think it is also important to express my thanks for such kind words. Kind words are rare things to hear in the ministry (just ask any pastor), but even more rare in the apologetics field, which makes them all the more cherished. It is always a blessing to receive encouragement from fellow believers.<br /><br /> Blessings to you, <br />GlennGlenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-56569382428629260152011-01-29T15:30:17.124-06:002011-01-29T15:30:17.124-06:00Glenn,
I just wanted to commend you, not just at d...Glenn,<br />I just wanted to commend you, not just at doing all of this, and speaking TRUTH where it is needed (The LORD'S Really pressing this on my heart to bring this up to my Church to get Beth Moore studies out). But the fact that you care so much about what all of us are writing, that you take time to just write a response to everyone who brings up a question or rebuke. You are very bold with the Truth, I give you A LOT of respect for what you're doing.<br /><br />Thank YouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-91872465975332489642011-01-26T08:45:43.461-06:002011-01-26T08:45:43.461-06:00Hello PJsMamma,
THanks for that testimony. One w...Hello PJsMamma,<br /><br />THanks for that testimony. One word of caution about that book radical; there are some very problematic teachings in it. Gary Gilley, and excellent apologist, has done a review at:<br />http://www.svchapel.org/resources/book-reviews/4-christian-living/688-radical-taking-back-your-faith-from-the-american-dream-by-david-plattGlenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-1025064545637915622011-01-25T23:15:46.493-06:002011-01-25T23:15:46.493-06:00Anonymous on 10/11/2010, you and I have had parall...Anonymous on 10/11/2010, you and I have had parallel experiences. I too walked away from the umpteenth Beth Moore study that my church has done, and while our leader understood and wanted to walk away herself, she didn't. When I told our group I was done because I was Bethed out, several of them nodded their heads in agreement, but I have no idea if they stayed on or not. I wanted to be honest with the folks in women's ministry, because they pay good money for those DVD sets, but they said, "She brings a lot of people in." I said, "I don't want to seek Beth, I want to seek GOD." They don't get it. Now this mega-church which I have one foot out the door of does these women's ministry programs about twice a year, but it's all about the blinged out t-shirts and caps and feather boas they sell, and the pictures they post on their facebook page, rather than being about Jesus. Rah-rah-sis-boom-bah, we're gonna make you feel good about yourself and have fun and maybe slip a little Jesus in there - or maybe not. It makes me very uncomfortable - why not put that much effort into serving the community or beefing up the benevolence ministries?<br />I am in my second year of Bible Study Fellowship now and I absolutely love it. As you say, no theatrics - just pure, in-depth study of God's word, which shows us HIS character, HIS power, HIS tenderness, HIS love, HIS sacrifice, etc. It is amazing. Anyway, I just want you to know you're not the only one; we've had very similar experiences and I know my former leader would be right with us, if she wasn't stuck staying for the whole study. <br />I highly recommend the book "Radical, Taking Your Faith Back from the American Dream." It says everything I've been thinking (painfully so) and I recommended it to our pastor/elders, who I hope have an 'uh oh' moment rather than 'aha' moment. A church that spends 14 million dollars on a new building, complete with outdoor fireplaces in a rainy climate, while pledging a mere five grand to save kids kept in cages, waiting to be raped by pedophiles, is sick. We are here to glorify GOD, not ourselves, but many churches, leaders, authors, etc., have gotten it backwards. I am feeling very disillusioned, disappointed and disheartened. But love never fails and neither does the Lord.PJ's mommahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12229708511461251381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-61804125959239401012010-10-12T07:49:12.978-05:002010-10-12T07:49:12.978-05:00Yes, I have seen and understand the situation in t...Yes, I have seen and understand the situation in the southern Baptist churches. I live in the "Bible Belt" ;)<br /><br />I will say that I too am a part of studies where people either drop due to spiritual warfare in their lives or they are not ready for meat or they are just not seeking as they should. Many reasons. <br /><br />But have you thought that because you see the issue in this church you may be the one who is being placed there to expand their horizons(in a calm, enlightening manner)?<br /><br />Yes, you will get some backlash. I went through it. But in the end, you may be the prodder for this particular group of God's people to get a wake up call. If it is what the Lord wants you to do and you back out, be sure HE will send someone else along the way who will be obedient and be willing to take the brunt. HE is FAITHFUL to HIS people even in their blindness.<br /><br />I have been one who was asked to ask those in the study questions to get them to SEE. Not fun but it is worth it to see people grow.<br /><br />Blessings and hang tough! James Mac Donald is a great study to get them to open their eyes to false teaching methods. No Drama or poetic ad lib to the WORD.<br /><br />Faith<br />+Faith Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962098047742633106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-7426355756322736402010-10-11T13:29:47.461-05:002010-10-11T13:29:47.461-05:00I thought I was the only one who felt uneasy with ...I thought I was the only one who felt uneasy with the Beth Moore Bible studies! Not because of any doctrinal issues, but because the DVD's are so draining and theatrical. I was in her new study on Revelation, "Here and Now, There and Then". The DVD's last anywhere from sixty minutes to an hour and twenty minutes. I left each session feeling like I'd been trapped on a Stairmaster. The class is dwindling fast; only seven women were present today. We started last month with around 30. The facilitator looked so discouraged at the small turnout that I didn't have the heart to tell her I was dropping out. <br /><br />This particular women's Bible study at my church only does Beth Moore studies. Others have been suggested, to no avail. <br /><br />Beth's blog is all about herself and her family. She refers to her husband as "my man" until I could scream. It's "my this" and "my that." <br /><br />I'd rather walk on my lips than criticize Beth at my church. The pastoral staff depends heavily on "lay leadership", which includes the two women in charge of the Tuesday morning Bible study. They are the ones who won't consider other Bible studies. <br /><br />I was in the non-denominational Bible Study Fellowship for a while, and it's very in-depth. No theatrics, stricly Bible study. I recommend it highly. I only dropped out because it was moved to a church too far away to commute.<br /><br />I noticed no one has mentioned Anne Graham Lotz's Bible studies. She is Billy's daughter. I haven't seen her DVD's, but I have read many of her books. They have a lot of meat; someone mentioned they were looking for that. <br /><br />I've enjoyed reading all the posts. Doctrinal issues give me a headache; I prefer to consult my NIV Study Bible. If I don't understand something, it has wonderful footnotes. <br /><br />Can women really not attend the Southern Baptist seminaries? I know they don't ordain women, but I thought the seminaries were open to all. I was raised in the SB denomination, but defected over to the Methodists a few years ago.<br /><br />Everyone have a nice day! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-76500070150822954532010-09-13T14:00:25.999-05:002010-09-13T14:00:25.999-05:00In response to your last reply. No HIS voice to me...In response to your last reply. No HIS voice to me is not audible;)<br /><br />This circumstance was not coincidence. As I mentioned, I had no thought of my great grandfather (whom I had never met) as I sat down to read Jeremiah. My dad had really only mentioned his name a few times in my life.<br /><br />My ministry for prodigal teens had been developed over the period of years. Way before I ever knew he was an evangelist. Also, my eyes did not focus on the word "Arise..." but the words "rise up...". That is when the Lord spoke to me through it that day and showed me the personal relevance of my ministry road's name. I do feel the Lord has a lot to do with impressing things on people's hearts and they actually think it is just one of their great "ideas" ;) He uses the WORD to keep us centered in His will in many ways.<br /><br />The Lord had also reminded me of the fact that I indeed was a soldier and had gotten "saved" in Saudi Arabia. My role then in the Gulf War had groomed me for the battles that I now undertake for Him and those He calls. Though now it is a spiritual battle...<br /><br />I think 2 Peter speaks most assuredly that our knowledge comes from Him. And I do believe that He works through all things in His followers to guide and help them to share His truth. We are each given very specific tasks He appoints us according to God's measure (2 Corinth 10).<br /><br />I am amazed everyday that the Lord actually works through the small things to show me HIS supernatural omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. If He wasn't capable, He would no be God. satan works through "coincidence". I love when God shows out in my life as to WOW me and keep my fire burning to share HIS truth. <br /><br />My only wish is to do His will in my own life and for those that cross my path to be able to SEE and HEAR Him as I do and more.<br /><br />The more we seek to do for Him the more He shows Himself in our lives. I will tell you that I will never see or hear things the same since He removed the boundaries that the physical world has and the lies within it.<br /><br />Have you no amazing personal "God stories" to tell?<br /><br />I think that personal revelation through all of His methods by no means take away from His WORD. I assume you are watchful of when people proclaim a certain scripture and they say that it pertains to a specific worldwide situation? For example when people said that Katrina and Haiti issues were God's judgment on those places for evil people and voodoo.<br /><br />Not that I claim to know that as truth but do you not think that the Lord works through nature in judgment anymore? Are happenings in this world no longer used by the Lord to guide us and help the lost come to Him?<br /><br />I do agree that the Christians who have decided to jump on the coat tails of the Hollywood and television (Hellywood and Hellevision) entertainment style witness are going to pay a big price for what they are doing. But if they are truly God's people, they do it in vain and it will be judged by the Lord lest they lead other astray in life here and now.<br /><br />I do believe in a SOVEREIGN GOD who by no means will allow one of us to lead even one of His sheep to an eternal life without Him. <br /><br />I think to pick scripture apart in such a way as to show confusion amongst HIS church sets us back and places us in the desert.<br /><br />Christ spoke many times about not worrying about the small things like food, dress etc (per say)and how the Holy Spirit would have to be our guide in the times to come. <br /><br />People just need to Accept, Believe, and Listen to HIS Word and the voice of the Holy Spirit in their lives. That is who needs to be the revealing source of the lies in this world for anyone.<br /><br />It has been very freeing for me to cross over to "kingdom" sight in the last 7 years or so.<br /><br />I pray those who don't use the Holy Spirit ask for Him to help step up their walk ;)<br /><br />Blessings,<br />Faith<br />+Faithhttp://www.tracyfaithclark.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-60828781074960838162010-09-10T18:23:16.893-05:002010-09-10T18:23:16.893-05:00Faith,
I fully understand what you’re saying, an...Faith, <br /><br />I fully understand what you’re saying, and you are indeed claiming direct revelation from God. While I cannot deny this has taken place, I am very skeptical. Was it audible? I believe your experience with Obediah was more emotional, that the book caught your eye and reminded you of your great-grandfather. The fact that a passage says “arise” and you have a ministry named “Rise,” is coincidental. Your eyes caught the word “arise” and you made the association. That doesn’t mean it is a direct revelation from God.<br /><br />I believe God indeed does speak to us through his Word, and that the Holy Spirit indwelling us guides us, but that is not the same as receiving direct personal revelation.<br /><br />I also believe God can indeed give personal revelation, but it would have to be for a purpose and never contradict what Scripture says. I think 2 Pet. 1:3 sums it up.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-41420909010144226562010-09-10T09:05:57.673-05:002010-09-10T09:05:57.673-05:00I understand your alarm when watching Beth Moore.
...I understand your alarm when watching Beth Moore.<br />I personally could not get past all of the opinion, emotion and romanticism of the last study I read. <br /><br />But, I am also confused on your struggle with my comments about personal revelation from God in situations and circumstances I am in with my own walk with the Lord.<br /><br />So, to avoid confusion I will explain another situation where the Lord gave me a revelation. <br /><br />I had a friend who said the Lord led her to tell me to read Jeremiah. So I waited for Him to tell me to read it.<br /><br />But finally one morning about a month or so later I felt led to finally do as my friend had prodded. But as I picked up the bible the Lord said to me, "I want you to read Obediah. I have something to show you".<br /><br />I thought, "Obediah"? I had to use the cheaters to find it ;)<br /><br />Within seconds of reading the first phrase I was in shock. The the Lord spoke to me again, " Obediah was the name of your great-grandfather and this has been put in you from before you were born".<br /><br />I was speechless. Of course I read the rest and I am sure I got more of what the Lord wanted to place in my spirit. But I could not believe how He had just delivered that personal revelation to me.<br /><br />To explain...<br /><br />The Vision of Obediah. Thus saith the LORD GOD of Edom; we have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. Obediah 1:1<br /><br />Now the context in which that is applied to is what?<br /><br />Well, to explain what the Lord showed me personally in this revelation is awesome. He will speak to us in these ways if we seek it.<br /><br />After I read the scripture the Lord said, "This was put in you before you were born. Your great-grandfather's name was Obediah. Your ministry for the prodigals is named RISE. Your blog is called RISE UP. Your call letters on your messages to others are RISE UP FAITH. You are a soldier. You are in my will for you".<br /><br />Now, I knew my great grandfather's name was Obediah. They called him "Obie". A couple days later I "stumbled" across an envelope my dad had given me with a rubbing of his brother's grave stone. In the envelope was an obituary on my grandfather James. He was a coal miner and Baptist preacher. Then it went on to describe that my great grandfather Obediah was an evangelistic Baptist minister. I had no idea! My father who is agnostic never really talks about his parents or grandparents.<br /><br />Now, this is just one of many, many way the Lord speaks to me on a daily basis. I believe that the Lord of the Universe is very personal when we seek to walk close to Him. He works in and through ALL things. He is the "I AM" and our ways are not His ways so it benefits us to develop a close relationship with Him and be able to discern His voice above all of our fleshly err. <br /><br />For example the Lord asks me to "see what is out there" in the different churches to continue to educate me on the "church" and the condition of the believers in it. It is not my own interest. I have four kids, a ministry and way too many other things going on. But in that action the Lord keeps my evangelistic heart prodded by not letting me get comfortable behind the walls of one particular church. He is also "training" my children. I SEE it. I live it.<br /><br />I understand your platform, but are you saying that the God of the Universe cannot or does not use the Living Word to give us personal application and direction in our daily lives unless it is taken in context? Does He does not speak to us personally?<br /><br />The Lord works through the Word and the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that billions of people could use it as God speaks to them through it and it can be applied to whatever circumstance they are in at any time and anywhere. That is what makes Him the "I AM". <br /><br />There is supernatural power in the hearing if the Word. <br /><br />Peace in Him,<br />Faith<br />+Faithhttp://www.tracyfaithclark.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-82850619932160972102010-09-09T19:43:43.692-05:002010-09-09T19:43:43.692-05:00Hi Faith,
Welcome to my blog. I won’t post your...Hi Faith, <br /><br />Welcome to my blog. I won’t post your second, abbreviated comment because this one came through. For some reason some of my articles have problems posting comments - the comments do post but appear not to. Very weird.<br /><br />I’m glad to see another woman being discerning about the problems with Beth Moore and wanting to expose her. And it looks like you have a very worthwhile ministry to prodigal teens.<br /><br />However, I am a bit troubled by your comment because you make claims of direct revelations from God - or at least that’s what it appears to be, and if I am posting your comment I don’t want other readers to be misled.<br /><br />You said the Lord asks you to attend many churches to see “what is out there.” Is this just a figure of speech? You also claim to have been given a “series of revelations” by God about the leaders and members of a church and that you then exposed a “stumbling block” and intimated that this was the cause of “dangerous physical ailments” overtaking them. I don’t find any biblical support for this.<br /><br />You also say you were “led by the Lord” to look up Greek explanations; do you mean by direct revelation or is this just a figure of speech? We really have to be careful with how we discuss things of this nature or it does indeed sound like a claim of direct revelation. This is the same where you say you “dumb down” things God “reveals” to you - is this revelation or just a figure of speech?<br /><br />You asked about why I am against Joyce Meyers, which is a surprising question since you see the obvious problems with Beth Moore. Meyers is very much like Moore except where Moore’s teachings are usually orthodox, albeit with a twist of Scripture, Joyce is a heretic who teaches the Word of Faith. She also is a master twister of Scripture, teaches aberrational spiritual warfare models and a whole raft of biblical problems. I’d much rather people listen to Beth than to Joyce - at least with Beth they are closer to the truth.<br /><br />Well, I hope you will continue to find worthwhile messages in my blog.<br /><br />Blessings to you,<br />GlennGlenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-37855635716055419992010-09-09T14:18:38.659-05:002010-09-09T14:18:38.659-05:00Dear Mr. Chatfield,
I "stumbled" upon ...Dear Mr. Chatfield, <br /><br />I "stumbled" upon your blog when studying today. I conducted a "google" search on the topic "beth moore on humor in the church" and found your blog mentioned on a watchdog site somewhere. I was glad to see that I am not the only one... ;)<br /><br />I conducted this search because the Lord has used my "call it for what it is" personality so much the past few years that I too get called judgmental and negative on a regular basis by all the "blessed children of the King" crowds.<br /><br />I actually did a search on the word blessed in the Hebrew and Greek in the bible and ohhh wow do Christian's use that way out of context!<br /><br />I attend many churches for their flavors and to keep my eyes open to what is out there, but truly because the Lord asks me to. HE keeps me seeking His voice, in all things. That is a tough job these days. Especially in the type of ministry I have been called to do. Prodigal teens...another story ;)<br /><br />One of the churches I attend is a large Baptist one. It is filled with Beth Moore fans. They even try to emulate her dress, mannerisms and lingo. It is like watching "The Stepford Wives" in real life.<br /><br />But my point in responding is this; I am in a transition right now with the Lord in getting more centered in the eyes and ears HE has given me through my gift of discernment. Especially in what to call out (as we all still live in the flesh and try to battle our own logic),what not to and when.<br /><br />I noticed a huge problem in the church I mentioned through a series of revelations the Lord gave to me about the leaders and members of that church. I exposed a stumbling block among them. Many are coming down with very dangerous physical ailments and are young to middle aged. I wrote a blog on the spirit of vanity though did not name the church or people. They know I go to many.<br /><br />And as you would have it, I have been ostracized by many of the Beth clan. It did not bother me at first. I have never been one to have many female friends anyway. But it did when I noticed that after that if I had questioned a link or post they put on Facebook, they would delete my post and leave all of the others funny (un-reverential)comments.<br /><br />I am curious to know what your opinion is about the draw towards marketing Christ in the name of "making His name famous",Hollywood type ministry methods that incorporate humor about God and claims of being "blessed" because of their hard work for God.<br /><br />I recently was led by the Lord to look up the Greek explanations of the scripture, "because strait is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it". Matthew 7:14<br /><br />Surprisingly "strait" in that context means narrow due to obstacles being close about. And "narrow" means filled with trials and tribulations. <br /><br />Now many Christians take that verse to mean to keep your relationship circles small, stay away from obvious sinners and try to keep your "road" narrow and focused on you, those like you and God as not to let anyone steal your JOY and Blessings as a "Beloved" daughter or son of the King. <br /><br />A spiritual warfare book by Kay Arthur many years ago taught me to look up things in the Greek and Hebrew. Very enlightening.<br /><br />I will continue to read your blog. My own I actually "dumb down" a bit as compared to what God reveals to me ;) and that is because of my ministry focus. <br /><br />But I do appreciate your platform, even though other followers of Christ see harm in what we do, I know the LORD is Sovereign. I wonder why John the Baptist, Paul, Peter, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Moses and the rest were so persecuted ;)<br /><br />Also another question...why are you so against Joyce Myers platform? <br /><br />Peace in HIM,<br />Faith<br />+Faith Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962098047742633106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-35802036433121913472010-09-07T14:58:30.367-05:002010-09-07T14:58:30.367-05:00Hi Kristine,
Could you e-mail me and let me know ...Hi Kristine,<br /><br />Could you e-mail me and let me know when you post your review? I would be interested in reading it. Personal Freedom Outreach (www.pfo.org) has just done an excellent review of this new book. It's always good to get more than one!<br /><br />GlennGlenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-37967920594754906342010-09-07T11:08:57.992-05:002010-09-07T11:08:57.992-05:00Hi Glen:
Beth Moore's "So Long, Insecuri...Hi Glen:<br /><br />Beth Moore's "So Long, Insecurity" satellite seminar was all the buzz at my church. When asked if I planned to attend, I smiled and said "No." People looked at me like I just flew in from Mars.<br /><br />I finished reading SLI last week. Why this me-centered book with a questionable premise and flimsy hermeneutic is all the rage is baffling. It may say more about the state of American Christendom in general and "women's ministries" specifically than anything else.<br /><br />I'm posting a review, "So Long One Moore Time," at my blog in late September.Kristinehttp://www.HEvencense.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-45967631260826266732010-06-20T20:02:26.105-05:002010-06-20T20:02:26.105-05:00Hi Katy,
Max Lucado also has lots of fluff, but w...Hi Katy,<br /><br />Max Lucado also has lots of fluff, but what I find from him is usually just devotional type material. Beth is much more dangerous in my opinion, because of her false teachings leading many astray, as well as teaching poor hermeneutics.<br /><br />Thank you for you kind words. I continue to pray for wisdom in this ministry, and how to deal with those who reject truth.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-78832627448309185752010-06-20T19:48:04.628-05:002010-06-20T19:48:04.628-05:00I just read this thread with interest. I have read...I just read this thread with interest. I have read some of Beth Moore's stuff, and here's something that i noticed about my own reaction to it...<br />I can never remember a word of what I've read, and I usually can't even remember what the point of her writing was, months (or even days) afterward.<br />However, I can remember long passages of C.S. lewis, specific scriptures that I've read long ago, and lots of details about the tabernacle study I did 10 years ago. It's almost as if the Truth sticks to my heart and mind, and when I read Beth's stuff it ends up "floating away".<br /><br />Now that's just my personal experience. I have the same trouble with Max Lucado. It's not they teach bad things all the time, as I happen to enjoy Max..it's just that the meat isn't really there.<br /><br />I have found myself being afraid to read anything by a "famous" teacher now. it's almost a given that the more popular they are to the masses, the less likely they are to be right.<br /><br />I'm going to check out that bereans site you posted. I just wanted you to know that your calm, rational, and diligent responses to your commenters made me open to what you have said. Humility always gets through to me.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14880982615521740741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-76760934771683346122010-05-04T15:39:47.659-05:002010-05-04T15:39:47.659-05:00Anonymous 5/4/10<
You haven't done anythin...Anonymous 5/4/10<<br /><br />You haven't done anything but quote Scripture. What is your point? That one HAS to use his mouth? Wrong - Scripture doesn't say that. You eliminate the mute from coming to Christ if the word has to be spoken.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-41242118698194913172010-05-04T14:55:08.033-05:002010-05-04T14:55:08.033-05:00"If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus i..."If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved" (Romans 10:9-10).<br />If I say, 'I will not mention him, or speak any more in his name,' then within me there is something like a burning fire shut up in my bones; I am weary with holding it in, and I cannot" (Jeremiah 20:9).<br />"Everyone therefore who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father in heaven; but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before my Father in heaven" (Matthew 10:32-33)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-16186650746767377902010-03-27T09:51:07.495-05:002010-03-27T09:51:07.495-05:00Dear Mr. Chatfield,
Thanks for your research into ...Dear Mr. Chatfield,<br />Thanks for your research into and commentary on the problems with Beth Moore's teachings. My friend has started a study of hers and felt ill at ease and asked if I had ever heard of her. I'm going to forward her links to your site. Thanks for contending for the faith. It's especially difficult to point out problems with someone's teachings when that person's charasmatic delivery tugs at, and connects with, the heart-strings of a hearer's emotions. God Bless you and encourage you in your discernment ministry. ~BrendaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-45789456569282413012010-03-02T11:35:55.932-06:002010-03-02T11:35:55.932-06:00Well, Anonymous (3/1/10)
You obviously haven’t re...Well, Anonymous (3/1/10)<br /><br />You obviously haven’t read my blog too closely.<br /><br />Firstly, I do not know whether or not Beth has a leadership position in a church, which means that CANNOT be a reason I expose Beth’s Scripture-twisting. I expose her Scripture-twisting because it is Scripture-twisting. I don’t care if you are male or female, leader or layman - if you misuse God’s Word, then that should be exposed.<br /><br />Nancy DeMoss is a woman teacher, as are Martha Peace and Jill Briscoe. Yet you do not see me criticizing their teachings just because they happen to be women - I don’t criticize their teachings because I haven’t seen any abuse/misuse of Scripture from them. So put away your victim card.<br /><br />I see Beth’s behavior on the DVDs as certainly unfitting, and I have had many women tell me the same thing. And, yes, Beth’s demeanor is very arrogant - after all, she has direct revelations from God so you’d better not challenge her teachings.<br /><br />I agree fully with Galatians 3:28. Whether male or female, slave or free, black or white, all people stand before Christ on equal terms. However, this has nothing to do with the roles God has given men and women in the home as well as in the Church. Scripture is plain that women are not to be in authority in the Church. But this has nothing to do with my analysis of Beth Moore’s poor hermeneutics, her claims of special revelation, or her pop-psychology and other bad teachings.<br /><br />And, by the way, your use of 1 Cor. 14:36 is out of context.<br /><br />I never, ever intimated that God does not speak to women as he does to men; God speaks to everyone through his Word. Those who claim special revelation, male or female, had better be lining up with Scripture with their claims or else they are false prophets.<br /><br />I would never be one to claim women are inferior to men, and you will never see such an absurd charge on my blog. But stating that women have different roles than men does not make them inferior. Was the average Israeli inferior to the priests? Of course not, but there were specific qualifications to be priests. Different roles have nothing to do with being inferior.<br /><br />You claim you are an ordained woman and yet you see nothing biblically wrong with Beth’s teachings. That tells me that even if you were a man you would not be qualified for ordination because you do not recognize false teachings so as to be able to protect the flock.<br /><br />As for Beth, HELLO, almost everyone IS speaking nice about her and praising her. There is only a small amount of apologists who are trying to get the lemmings to wake up and quit following her over the cliff.<br /><br />Now how about if you want to make all these baseless charges against me, you next time demonstrate from Scripture where my assessment of Beth’s teachings are wrong.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.com