tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post301207525301352376..comments2024-03-29T09:24:12.719-05:00Comments on The Watchman's Bagpipes: The Trinity - Proven By LogicGlenn E. Chatfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-5958381969156421122023-02-05T07:49:01.311-06:002023-02-05T07:49:01.311-06:00Anonymous,
Your arguement is a lie. Everything he...Anonymous,<br /><br />Your arguement is a lie. Everything here is in Scripture and I cite all the passages-- or are you just unable to read and comprehend?Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-23480352925199636172023-02-04T17:51:24.187-06:002023-02-04T17:51:24.187-06:00Glenn, your arguments are weak. Nothing you said i...Glenn, your arguments are weak. Nothing you said in the article is taught in scripture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-7203439364573667192023-02-01T18:41:25.387-06:002023-02-01T18:41:25.387-06:00The context is the three persons who are the Trini...The context is the three persons who are the Trinity in biblical Christianity. The logic exercise is a way to refute those who deny the Trinity of these three persons.<br /><br />#1 Proves the Spirit is a person, contrary to cultic claims.<br />#2 Proves first that there is ONE true God and that these three persons are called the true God.<br />#3 Proves first that there is one savior, and then proves that Jesus and God are called the one savior.<br />#4 Proves first that there is one creatior, then proves that Jesus and God are called the Creator.<br />And so forth.<br /><br />The logic is irrefutable. The Bible DOES say another Person besides God is also God and I cited the passages. It is ALL taught in Scripture.<br /><br /><br /> Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-89908891860799556562023-02-01T16:42:43.208-06:002023-02-01T16:42:43.208-06:00Your context is the trinity but the scriptures tha...Your context is the trinity but the scriptures that you are drawing from not necessarily are. If you demonstrate WHY Jesus or the Holy Spirit are called God then you have something. The bible certainly never teaches that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one being or share the same essence. On the other hand it does teach that God is the father and God of Jesus.<br /><br />This is your Logic...<br />Jesus is called God = Jesus is God<br /><br />These are two questions that in my opinion deserve bible answers from someone that says another person besides God is also God.<br />Why is Jesus called God? What is your definition of God when you say Jesus is God?<br />Where is such a monumental revelation taught in scripture?Henry Barrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02716909640765542490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-20718456120869064522023-02-01T15:11:32.973-06:002023-02-01T15:11:32.973-06:00Henry,
The context is the Trinity, not all other ...Henry, <br />The context is the Trinity, not all other named 'gods.' The argument against the Trinity is always regarding these three persons.<br />Ergo, in context, my conclusion is very consistent.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-23976811460856138472023-01-31T23:57:56.983-06:002023-01-31T23:57:56.983-06:00Syllogism 2 concludes from the premise that becaus...Syllogism 2 concludes from the premise that because someone is "called" God they are the one almighty God. More than three are "called" God in scripture. How is your conclusion not inconsistent with your premise?Henry Barrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02716909640765542490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-53937253682663579342022-05-02T11:30:53.490-05:002022-05-02T11:30:53.490-05:00Thank you, anonymous,
Yes, you surely may copy an...Thank you, anonymous,<br /><br />Yes, you surely may copy and paste. I want as many uses as possible to help lead the lost to Jesus.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-32892408639580425372022-05-02T02:09:47.067-05:002022-05-02T02:09:47.067-05:00Excellent job! Thanks! I hope it's ok for me t...Excellent job! Thanks! I hope it's ok for me to copy and paste for my studies. I know several JW's and I am currently trying to witness one. In addition, excellent job responding to those who are blind and deceived. Unfortunately many do not realize the reason they are not understanding scripture is because they do not have The Holy Spirit to give them understanding. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-89730590633698227552019-06-27T21:22:33.822-05:002019-06-27T21:22:33.822-05:00This article might be beneficial to your readers:
...This article might be beneficial to your readers:<br /><br />https://rationalchristiandiscernment.blogspot.com/2019/01/romans-109-proves-jesus-is-god-almighty.htmlJesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-22762362632434962152017-11-03T17:45:00.113-05:002017-11-03T17:45:00.113-05:00Hi Brenda,
Yes I've read it, and it sits on m...Hi Brenda,<br /><br />Yes I've read it, and it sits on my shelf. I don't know what opinion I can give; from all I've ever read about it, it is just reporting history. While there are some incidents of very early martyrs which I wonder if they are more legend than fact, overall I think it's just history.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-23442634968603220872017-11-03T14:02:04.288-05:002017-11-03T14:02:04.288-05:00Glenn have you read, Foxe's Book of Martyrs, i...Glenn have you read, Foxe's Book of Martyrs, if so what is your opinion?<br />Thank you,<br />Brenda S.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08820318266851021735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-18694273453804417572017-09-20T10:24:53.828-05:002017-09-20T10:24:53.828-05:00George,
There is nothing in the article which is ...George,<br /><br />There is nothing in the article which is an "interpretation" by me. All I did was cite the Bible and used logic putting the passages together. The cults don't do that;, they just give a verse and TELL YOU what they want it to mean.<br /><br />You keep rambling about "interpretation" yet you've not demonstrated that I've interpreted anything except the plain reading of Scripture, which you apparently don't understand. I'm not asking anyone to trust me, I'm pointing ONLY to the Scripture.<br /><br />You have not demonstrated any error in my logic premises, you've not demonstrated any error in what the passages I cite say, nor have you demonstrated that the conclusions are not logical.<br /><br />You are done here.<br />Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-45586009174126934422017-09-19T23:10:09.916-05:002017-09-19T23:10:09.916-05:00Glenn
Yes, I have read your article as well as ar...Glenn<br /><br />Yes, I have read your article as well as articles such as “Arianism and Other Heresies; Maximinus, debate with Maximinus” which show that those ‘cults” (eg. Arians) used the same bible verses and logic as you do to support their interpretations. So how does using the same logic and same scripture to support a belief not qualify you in the same category as them.<br /><br />So, if I may ask, if it comes down to “your interpretation” Vs “their interpretation” and NOT just scripture as your answer implies, how is your interpretation correct and not theirs as they also use the same verses as you do to support their beliefs.<br /><br />Perhaps, if I may suggest, you should have indicated in your article, that your beliefs depend upon scripture AND YOUR INTERPRETATION.<br />What assurance (bible verses) do readers have that your interpretation is correct. Where are the verses which clearly indicate that your interpretation, hence belief, is correct as no doubt you believe, and emphasize in your various articles that “if it is not clearly and explicitly stated in scripture, it is NOT a Christian belief”.<br /><br />As scripture is the final authority on Christian beliefs, please, if I may ask, show the verses which indicate clearly, that your interpretation is correct and not those of the cults, so that an ordinary Christian enquirer will know that you are not twisting scripture to suite your own beliefs.<br /><br />Hence, please state the verse which clearly indicate three divine persons in one God belief as that is not clearly "stipulated" nor is your interpretation mentioned in any of the verses you quoted.<br />It should not be based upon your “interpretation”, should it not?? If so, were are the verses which indicate such)<br /><br />If I may ask, what proof can you offer to those who enquire, that they should trust you as the Ethiopian eunuch trusted in Philip (Acts 8: 27-31), as the Bereans trusted in Paul (Acts 17:10-12) and as the early Christians trusted in Peter (2Peter 3:16), for the correct interpretation of scripture so that as scripture says; “…….you (we) may know the EXACT truth about the things you have been taught” (Luke 1:4), so that I/we are “……not twisting scripture to our own destruction” (2 Pet 3:16) and hence enabling me/us to proclaim the Truth correctly to others?<br /><br />Anonymous George<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-15178708609582443182017-09-18T10:12:22.889-05:002017-09-18T10:12:22.889-05:00George,
I wonder if you even read the article --...George, <br /><br />I wonder if you even read the article -- I used nothing but Scripture to prove the Trinity. There is no "precise formula" stated, rather the word "Trinity" is used to sum up what the Bible says about each person of the Trinity.<br /><br />It isn't obvious to the cults because they don't want it to be obvious. They twist the Scriptures to their own destruction.<br />Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-35186935036637193882017-09-17T22:59:31.305-05:002017-09-17T22:59:31.305-05:00Glenn
Perhaps there is something wrong or missing ...Glenn<br />Perhaps there is something wrong or missing with your so-called logic as Trinity doctrine is not obvious in scripture to Christian denominations such The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ("Mormons"), Jehovah's Witnesses and the Iglesia Ni Cristo, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International and the United Church of God.<br /><br />Surely if scripture is the final authority on your beliefs and if it is clear and logical as you state, then the above mentioned groups should be able to see the verses and the logic. For no doubt you agree with the famous early christian who also believed that scripture is the final authority on christian beliefs and stated that:<br /><br />"If you produce from the divine scriptures something that we all share, we shall have to listen. But those words which are not found in the scriptures are under no circumstance accepted by us, especially since the Lord warns us, saying, In vain they worship me, teaching human commandments and precepts' (Mt. 5:19)." [8]Maximinus, Debate with Maximinus<br /><br />So please, where is/are the verse(s) which explicitly stipulate your precise Christian formula of the doctrine of the Trinity, and which explicitly describe God in terms of “Persons” or “Substance”. As you say to others, if it NOT clearly stated in scripture, it is NOT a chrsitian belief.<br /><br />Anonymous George<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-15244944403523053862017-07-23T22:52:56.848-05:002017-07-23T22:52:56.848-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-28407454148870785142014-01-23T18:19:26.316-06:002014-01-23T18:19:26.316-06:00I would really like to see X.O. demonstrate how th...I would really like to see X.O. demonstrate how the scientific method can be applied to evolution.Ron Livesayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10685550197231995860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-13763068890792666682010-10-05T19:27:35.553-05:002010-10-05T19:27:35.553-05:00Glenn,
My son is studying logic this year so I co...Glenn,<br /><br />My son is studying logic this year so I copied this to use in his course. Hopefully, he will be able to noodle it through. <br /><br />Thanks!<br />YvonneYvonnehttp://www.fragranceoftruth.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-53694851456291312362010-10-02T07:31:28.907-05:002010-10-02T07:31:28.907-05:00I never heard of this organization - doesn't s...I never heard of this organization - doesn't sound good. I just don't understand why people get involved with these things. I guess that's a new one I have to research!Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-82639411674423315172010-10-02T04:12:36.110-05:002010-10-02T04:12:36.110-05:00Does anyone have any suggestions on witnessing to ...Does anyone have any suggestions on witnessing to the "Twelve Tribes"?<br />They showed up in our town here in upstate NY about 2 years ago, and now have a thriving Cafe' on main street.<br />My daughter's "Ty Kwan Do" + P.E. teacher (at a local Christian School) almost got sucked in, which almost got her as well, because of the sponsoring Churches' high emphasis on "activities" and LOW emphasis on the WORD!<br /> The '12 Tribes' (TT) are very diligent in Bible reading, but seem to have gleaned some of the worst teachings from the JW's and Mormons, and are totally convinced that THEY are GOD's ONLY CHOSEN PEOPLE - that GOD's people DisAppeared with the founding of the ROMAN Empire in 325 A.D. - and did Not RE-Appear until "Yoneq" (the Founder of TT) Re-Introduced 'GOD's TRUE religion' around 1977. (I Believe that's when they started!)<br />They also believe that the name "JESUS" is actually a *demon* - with the TRUE name of GOD's Savior being 'Yashua'. Disciples are encouraged (required?) to turn over all major Assets to the headquarters and come live 'In Community' as the NT Church did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-54771365008608291182010-09-30T19:56:22.322-05:002010-09-30T19:56:22.322-05:00Thank you, Steve. Like I said, it wasn't an o...Thank you, Steve. Like I said, it wasn't an original idea - I just improved on it.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-10269483682169251302010-09-30T19:53:30.294-05:002010-09-30T19:53:30.294-05:00Thanks, Glenn. This is quite good.Thanks, Glenn. This is quite good.Steve Brickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809609523737519737noreply@blogger.com