tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post1694656706223760467..comments2024-03-28T19:16:46.275-05:00Comments on The Watchman's Bagpipes: Is Barack Obama a Christian as He Claims? Part 2Glenn E. Chatfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-3796177392964823212020-03-17T12:38:54.573-05:002020-03-17T12:38:54.573-05:00Sorry Catholic Nick, but I've seen your commen...Sorry Catholic Nick, but I've seen your commentary and I don't agree with your Papist interpretations of anythingGlenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-43716095667013918562016-07-26T18:35:36.637-05:002016-07-26T18:35:36.637-05:00smrstrauss,
So all the evidence I provided means ...smrstrauss,<br /><br />So all the evidence I provided means nothing to you as long as Obama said the right words?<br /><br />Do you know that a Mormon will say the exact same things? So by your standard, a Mormon is a Christian.<br /><br />Obama is a politician and will say what is necessary to say at a prayer breakfast. All co-called Christian cults say Jesus rose from the Dead -- that is an historical event which really doesn't take a whole lot of faith to accept. Obama knows his Christian doctrine - he just doesn't apply it and picks and chooses what to believe. His God and Christ sanction homosexuality, which means they are not the God and Christ of the Bible.<br /><br />As to why you brought in the Muslim information I don't understand. Nothing in my article suggest he is a Muslim, and I don't believe he is -- he just favors Islam over Christianity based on what he has said and what actions he has taken.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-11239881186072086952016-07-26T14:52:34.103-05:002016-07-26T14:52:34.103-05:00Obama has called Jesus Christ "OUR SAVIOR&quo...Obama has called Jesus Christ "OUR SAVIOR" during the National Easter Prayer Breakfast, and he also said in the same speech that Jesus Christ had risen from the dead----which, duh, a Muslim would not say even to hide the fact that he was a Muslim. And in another speech Obama said that the fundamental cause of violence in the world is ORIGINAL SIN---which, once again, other religions do not believe in, you know.<br /><br />In short, he is a Christian. smrstrausshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17130680385818556655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-46177559853878283002016-07-26T12:10:56.477-05:002016-07-26T12:10:56.477-05:00if a candidate (for whatever office) upholds the l...<em> if a candidate (for whatever office) upholds the law of the land and the Constitution as written, the Christians WILL BE allowed to worship according to Scripture and led quiet and unmolested lives. That was the intend of the 1st Amendment.</em><br /><br />Agree completely.Alechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00825239050486476125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-73618836674180104812016-07-26T12:00:49.950-05:002016-07-26T12:00:49.950-05:00Thanks Alec,
One thing I want to clarify is that ...Thanks Alec,<br /><br />One thing I want to clarify is that I believe if a candidate (for whatever office) upholds the law of the land and the Constitution as written, the Christians WILL BE allowed to worship according to Scripture and led quiet and unmolested lives. That was the intend of the 1st Amendment.<br /><br />My political views lean to Republican vs Democrat simply due to their party platforms regardless of how close the candidates follow them. The Democrat platform actually CALLS FOR all that is unholy!Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-64947289892256147442016-07-26T11:42:19.730-05:002016-07-26T11:42:19.730-05:00Hi Glenn,
You're very clear as to your reason...Hi Glenn,<br /><br />You're very clear as to your reasons for examining the Christian claims of President Obama - you had the information available and thought it would be useful to others as an object lesson in discernment. <br /><br />Anonymous seems to be reacting to something which YOU haven't done, but which troubles many of us. Others - including many pastors - burden the consciences of Christians by insisting that God works only through the Republican party. We all know about the Democratic Party. But just because the Democratic agenda is dangerous and destructive does not mean that the Republican agenda is not dangerous and destructive in other ways.<br /><br />Your essential point is that the leader we want is one who upholds the law of the land. I'd go farther and say that we want a leader who will allow us to worship God according to the Scriptures and lead quiet and unmolested lives in peace.<br /><br />The problem is, we are not presented with candidates that show promise of integrity, the rule of law, respect for the Bill of Rights, desire for the advancement of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all Americans, etc. <br /><br />There is some evidence that the changes Hillary or Trump will make are not something any of us would wish to experience. People forget that just because something is "conservative" or "Right" does not mean that it is Christian or good.<br /><br />At least this is what I took away from anonymous 1. If he/she was trying to say something different, perhaps they will clarify.<br /><br />Again, I want to reiterate how informative I've found these two posts. Previous to this I'd only heard conservative rants about Obama's Muslim religion. Here you've given enough information to back up a fair case. At least half of what you've written is new to me. Thanks again.<br /><br />AlecAlechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00825239050486476125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-72477745826771357892016-07-26T11:19:15.979-05:002016-07-26T11:19:15.979-05:00Anonymous -
First, I really wish those who use &...Anonymous - <br />First, I really wish those who use "anonymous" as their way to post would use some sort of name for ID so I know which one is which or of there is more than one, etc. It would make it easier for me.<br /><br />Anyway, I don't understand the debate. My post was not about politicians, per se, but public figures in general -- actually, about anyone claiming to be a Christian. The point is to NOT assume they are just because they say they are, especially if there is nothing in their actions or stated beliefs which support the claim.<br /><br />Again, whether a politician is or is not a Christian is irrelevant. We aren't voting for pastors.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-81603857556994850702016-07-26T10:56:02.942-05:002016-07-26T10:56:02.942-05:00Yes, Glen, the president is about upholding the la...Yes, Glen, the president is about upholding the laws of the land, whether the laws be for human well being or used as evil weapons against mankind. Truth must be proclaimed and anyone who claims to be a Christian while campaigning, and yet Jesus is the furthest LORD from his heart, is a total deceiver and a liar.<br /><br />The question then must be asked, do Republicans lie while campaigning? Do Democrats lie while campaigning. May I be so bold as to say, the lies coming out of the mouths of BOTH political partied candidates is legion, and as voters, we have a tendency to love the lies of our political candidates. What we see postured in the public media forum is NOT what goes on behind the scenes, Glen. <br /><br />To date, after worshiping the political scene for far too many years, I have never heard one political candidate who presents themselves as Christ followers say, "Jesus is LORD." And these are canditates the visible evangelical community supports through vast amounts of mammon. And yet, this community is not wanting to hear the political candidate say, "I am a born again Christian and Jesus is LORD over all creation." <br /><br />Just sayin.....the Bush family presents themselves as Christian as well, and yet we hear the fruits of their hearts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-85514150929196000392016-07-26T10:22:00.019-05:002016-07-26T10:22:00.019-05:00Anonymous 7/26, 8:14 AM
The discernment lesson wa...Anonymous 7/26, 8:14 AM<br /><br />The discernment lesson wasn't about politics, it just used a well-known politician as an example.<br /><br />As I noted to the other anonymous, it isn't important whether a politician is a Christian, it is whether he/she will uphold the laws of the land.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-52053204697174055482016-07-26T10:19:24.286-05:002016-07-26T10:19:24.286-05:00Anonymous 7/26, 8:11 AM
Again, I only addressed O...Anonymous 7/26, 8:11 AM<br /><br />Again, I only addressed Obama because that particular interview was brought to my attention. Whether or not other presidents were Christian is irrelevant to why I did this post -- it was an example. My point with it is that too many politicians look to the Christian community to vote them in ONLY because they claim to be Christian. (I also think some past Presidents were Christians, just immature ones -- remember there is only one requirement for salvation and that doesn't include works or 100% understanding of all doctrines.)<br /><br />I don't worry about whether a political candidate is or is not a Christian when it comes to voting. I decide whether or not he is a valid candidate based on his/her worldview in regards to the laws and the Constitution (the original intent of the Constitution, not the revisionist version by liberal SCOTUS members). If a candidate is trying to uphold the laws, then there won't be abortion or same-sex fake marriage, or persecution of Christians, etc.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-63756845721659965142016-07-26T08:14:17.743-05:002016-07-26T08:14:17.743-05:00Discernment is a bit late if you are thinking of a...Discernment is a bit late if you are thinking of a presidential candidate. Will we get the same for every president who claims to be a Christian? Perhaps of more note would be to consider Trump and Clinton at this time. I particular want to know how Trump can stand up for the importance of marriage, given he's on his third...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-85029726379869184692016-07-26T08:11:59.950-05:002016-07-26T08:11:59.950-05:00Personally Glen, to be honest with my heart and tu...Personally Glen, to be honest with my heart and turning to the Word of God as my guide, I have not found any of the last presidents of this country, whether it be democrat nor republican, to be Christians, believers only in Jesus, for salvation and eternal life. None have exhibited Christ-like qualities according to God's Word, nor have they verbally stated that Jesus is LORD and the only Way to the Father, during their campaign speeches, during anything within the public forum, for to do so would cause great controversy and loss of the popular vote.<br /><br />One of the first conversations enlisted as I began attending a conservative Baptist church, was with a self appointed deaconess, who began indoctrinating me as to the 'great faith' President Bush (the son) had and how 'spiritual' he was. She said, "He is a Christian, is a member of a church, has 'national prayer day' at the capitol, and is pro-life." <br /><br />Hmmmmm.....those are qualifications for denial of self, repentance and belief on our LORD Jesus Christ? I verbally disagreed with her, and oh boy, did I get a verbal whipping.........It was a few years later, the proof was televised nationally as Bush stated, "Yes I believe muslims and Christians worship the same god (not our Father, God.)" <br /><br />And to the disgrace of many "discernment ministries," very few did a point by point analysis of Bush's belief system as most are 'republican ministries,' believing that the light shines on one party and the darkness lives in the other. What people in this country don't realize, is that there isn't much difference between the two parties as they have always been working towards the one world beast system our Holy Scriptures describe; plus, behind the public scenes, most democrats and republicans are actually good friends (the Bushes and the Clintons as an excellent example) putting on the "big show" of opposition in the media so as to deceive the public. I should know, I was one of those deceived sheep at one time, to my own shame. <br /><br />Also should mention that the upcoming beast system will basically consist of one dominant religion....which most politicians, many of them 'church going folks,' will embrace, promote to all of us, worship, and eventually use it to persecute all of us who are born again Jesus believers and followers. <br /><br />Thank-you for the analysis of President Obama's faith/religion and a bold reminder. This post makes me realize that I should be in prayer with a conscience of humility, for President Obama and his family's salvation. Blessed be the Name of Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-71105189370261095502016-07-26T08:09:49.899-05:002016-07-26T08:09:49.899-05:00Glenn and Doug,
This whole post (including Doug&#...Glenn and Doug,<br /><br />This whole post (including Doug's comment) is a jaw-dropper. Thank you both.<br /><br />AlecAlechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00825239050486476125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6043971967398769903.post-7200008355946813372016-07-25T14:33:42.416-05:002016-07-25T14:33:42.416-05:00Actually, Mr. Obama, Kazakhstan is the largest Mus...Actually, Mr. Obama, Kazakhstan is the largest Muslim country in the world at 1,052,085 square miles, Indonesia falls far short of that at 735,400 square miles<br /><br />Mr. Obama is right, all paths lead to God. What happens at the throne of judgement depends entirely on the path you took in your journey there.<br /><br />Mr. Obama’s statement that “I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.” was an outright lie. According to her best friend his mother was an atheist "[She] touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue. She was always challenging and arguing and comparing.” Her own daughter Maya Soetoro-Ng, Barack’s sister - bet you never hear of her before, said “I wouldn't have called her an atheist. She was an agnostic.”<br /><br />Mr. Obama’s step father was a Sunni Muslim or “Orthodox Muslim” there really is no liberal form of Islam so his statement that his stepfather was following "a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths." Was another outright lie. As we all know Christianity considers lying a sin, however Islam considers lying, al-Taqiyya, a virtue. Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.<br /><br />“Altar Calls” are called “Hells Best Kept Secret” (Google it and read the sermon, you’ll reconsider your pastor’s tenure if he does an altar call in your church again)<br /><br />If Mr. Obama truly believed “an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty” why did he spend two terms of office insuring that Islam became the most dangerous religions to be inflicted on the earth?<br /><br />Jesus is merely a wonderful teacher? Clearly Mr. Obama has never heard about the poached egg. Google Jesus Poached Egg and you’ll see the truth of Jesus: “You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”<br /><br />“I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.” No Mr. Obama, that poor Hindu kid in India is already condemned by his multitude of Gods to be reincarnated over and over never knowing why he’s been sent back to hell on earth again and again, never knowing if he has gained enough karma now and in past lives to break out of this never ending cycle of agony<br /><br />Mr. Obama’s answer to what sin is, “Being out of alignment with my values” shows clearly that he values himself more than God. Doug Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05318930961031654937noreply@blogger.com