We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer
Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. --Basil of Caesarea
Once you learn to discern, there's no going back. You will begin to spot the lie everywhere it appears.

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service. 1 Timothy 1:12

Friday, June 29, 2018

Good, Bad, and Ugly

I know, it’s been a while since I’ve posted one of these episodes, and it’s been a while since I’ve written anything.  It’s been very busy time, including a fun time playing for a high school production of “Brigadoon” three hours north on the 22nd and 23rd (and a rehearsal on the 9th).  And it’s not going to let up anytime soon, since this is now parade season.  So, there is a lot to read about on this post.

The Good:
Some good apologetic information about the “chain of custody” in regards to the Gospels.  I highly recommend J. Warner Wallace’s book, Cold Case Christianity.

Put down that devotional and pick up the actual Bible.  While this article is directed at women, there are plenty of men who need to hear the same thing.

This one is NOT up for debate, but I was quite amused with this exposure of Calvinist contradictions.

One of my readers pointed me to this non-Calvinist site.  I haven’t had a chance to do a lot of reading there yet, but I do like their statement of faith.  I do have some reservations about Mr. Flowers, in that he has been known to make some weird statements during discussions, as reported by Pulpit & Pen (a strict Calvinist group), such as saying that one can be saved without faith, even though that contradicts the statement of faith. The same with a statement defining the Gospel, which doesn’t agree with the statement of faith of the site.

What is a “faith healer”?  A fraud, a liar, a con-man/woman.

Forget religion. Forget the Bible. Forget teaching creationism. On its own terms, the romanticized, politicized, (increasingly even theologized!) microbe-to-man evolution story presented as undeniable fact in the schoolroom is simply bad science. Why should anyone insist that students be taught bad science? Read the full article.



How much more proof does one need to admit that Jennifer LeClaire is a horridly false teacher?

The Jesus of Islam is NOT the Christian Jesus.

A good, concise history of how the “catholic” (universal) church became the Roman Catholic Church.

Robert Gagnon’s response to false teacher Thabiti Anyabwile is excellent! Pulpit & Pen also speaks out against Anyabwile.

The Bad and/or Ugly
More on the horrid apostasy of the “Revoice” conference.  H/T: Doug Evans.

The Passion Translation of the Bible has previously been addressed on this blog in other “Random” posts.  This “translation” is no different than any other cult translation int that the “translators” fixed the Bible to fit their theology/ideology. Here is much more information about this dangerous publication.

David Jeremiah has turned closer and closer to the “dark side.” Endorsing Jesus Calling shows a HUGE lack of discernment. He continues to support false teaching, making him totally untrustworthy.

An excellent examination of Andy Stanley’s teaching in his “Aftermath” sermon series.

One thing certain, THIS is not a Christian assembly, rather this is a goat pen.

False teachers and the NAR, and Todd Bentley: THIS is more proof as to why they are to be avoided.

Joel Houston, “worship” pastor and co-pastor of Hillsong New York City, is an evolutionist.  Coming from Hillsong, the bastion of false teaching, so it doesn’t surprise me. Answers in Genesis has more information.

THIS is why you don’t listen to or read teachings from William Paul Young. Of course the Mormon also teach reconciliation after death.

The humorous
Coming soon to Saddleback, Willow Creek, Lakewood and other seeker-sensitive/market-driven churches.

I’m pretty sure this was happening at out previous assembly.


23 comments:

Jim W said...

Glen, I'm done with your rabid anti-Calvinism. I have yet to see you refute the Biblical points of Calvinism. Every time you post any kind of refutation, it's always against what some Calvinist has said. It's never against what the Bible has said. All you ever do is point out supposed errors in TULIP. Well, that isn't the whole of Calvinism, it's merely a talking point tool. Get over yourself and realize that you aren't always right on every subject. Do you really think you are better educated than John McArthur? Or a better "Christian"? Goodbye.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Jim,

You aren't required to read my blog. And apparently you haven't read my refutation of Calvinism. Try here:
http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2013/02/i-am-not-calvinist.html
I cite plenty of Calvinists. And, yes, TULIP is the whole definition of Calvinism summed up.

Calvinism is a horrid theological perspective with a fickle God who is unloving.

I never suggested that I am better educated than ANYONE. But even John MacArthur is deceived when it comes to Calvinism. SO many solid apologists never use their apologetics discernment against their Calvinist ideology (which is really Augustinianism. Education and intelligence has nothing to do with deception -- after all, there are many educated and intelligent Mormons!

I NEVER claim or even imitate that I am always rights, nor have I ever suggested that I am a better Christian than Calvinists. So get over YOURSELF.

Anonymous said...

Calvinism has been a blessing to me. I'm tired of hearing about this soft, liberal watered down "Jesus" who comes at ones own will. STOP TRUSTING IN YOUR WORKS FOR SALVATION, SEMI PELAGIAN. Please listen! Your objections are emotional, not rational. God preordained us all to salvation and damnation.

Read what the Scripture says, fool. Romans 9:

And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 SO THEN IT DEPENDS NOT ON HUMAN WILL OR EXERTION,[b] BUT ON GOD, WHO HAS MERCY. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 SO THEN HE HAS MERCY ON WHOMEVER HE WILLS, AND HARDENS WHOMEVER HILLS.

19 You will say to me then, “WHY DOES HE STILL FIND FAULT? FOR WHO CAN RESIST HIS WILL?” 20 BUT WHO ARE YOU, O MAN, TO ANSWER BACK TO GOD? WILL WHAT IS MOLDED SAY TO ITS MOLDER, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath PREPARED FOR DESTRUCTION, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has PREPARED BEFOREHAND for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel[c] be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, 28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29 And as Isaiah predicted,

Jesse said...

Jim,

Just can it. There is no need for you to be up in arms and acting as though Calvinism cannot be understood by critics. Your theology is irrational. It makes the gospel redundant. It essentially makes the devil irrelevant and judgement unfair. It makes everything a puppet show, which is nonsense. The fact that you even put Pastor John MacArthur on such a high pedestal proves that you have made man your final authority. Follow God's Word instead (Matthew 15:1-9).

Jesse said...

Glenn,

Would you go as far as to say that Dr. Leighton Flowers is a false teacher, or simply advise to carefully examine his teachings in light of Scripture (as we should do with all teachers)?

Jesse said...

Sabbath keepers refuted by one simple point:

https://rationalchristiandiscernment.blogspot.com/2018/04/sabbath-keepers-debunked.html

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Anonymous,

Is it really “Calvinism” which has been a blessing — a man-made ideology — or isn’t it really the Gospel of Christ which has been a blessing? How can an ideology which believes God selects people for hell bring anyone a blessing?!?

You totally misunderstand my position if you think I trust in any works for salvation. I trust in CHRIST for my salvation and nothing more. I don’t teach that Jesus comes at anyone’s will: I teach and believe that Jesus offers everyone salvation but it is OUR choice to accept it or reject it — THAT is what the Bible teaches.

Thanks for calling me a “Semi-Pelagian” — Name-calling is the proof of one’s inability to present his argument cohesively, and it what gets people banned from my blog. Of course since you didn’t have the courage to provide a real identity, it is no surprise you resort to name-calling. You only proved that it is YOUR objections which are irrational and emotional, not mine.

You, like other Calvinists, abuse Romans 9-11. Paul is talking about how God elects people for service, not for salvation. Try reading in context and not with a Calvinist commentary.

You’ve not made your case at all. If you can’t have the courage to identify yourself, and can’t have a discussion without name-calling, then don’t bother commenting.

And no one has forced you to read my blog. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Jesse,

I think Flowers is somewhat confused with many of his comments; he has an excellent statement of faith but some of his comments contradict it. I think it may be he speaks off the cuff without thinking what he's saying. So what I have read looks mostly good, but discernment is obviously necessary.

Anonymous said...

Glenn,
Several yrs ago I read this statement which might help to understand the truth of God’s sovereignty and man’s will. It concerns the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart by God:
The hardening of Pharaoh’s heart neither induced sin nor subjugated Pharaoh’s will, yet it allowed circumstances to develop that his wicked heart could not resist.

Of course God knows the end from the beginning, and He understands the wickedness of the unregenerate man’s heart. God is in control, doesn’t wring his hands, and yet gives man a choice. A wonderful savior is He! He desires all men to be saved by faith in the Lord Jesus.
Thank you for your blog.

Kathryn

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Mr. Anonymous,

What part of "This one is NOT up for debate" are you unable to comprehend? Your diatribe trying to convince of that Calvinism isn't false teaching is not going to get published. Your insecurity in your false belief system is very apparent.

Take your Calvinist arrogance elsewhere.

Alec said...

Hi Glenn,

As someone who spent a long time in the Reformed world and attended a Calvinist Seminary, I know first-hand the damage it can do to one's faith.

Someone once described Calvinism as a sticky film which (once embraced) clings to all of one's theology and resists all efforts at removal.

The saddest practical problem with the so-called "Doctrines of Grace" is its dualistic framework which wants to force all Christian understanding into "Calvinism" (which is right, orthodox, and true) or "Arminianism" (all that is heterodox and wrong).

As a Book of Concord Lutheran, I trust what God's Word says to the best of my ability. The most important thing the Bible teaches is that we are justified by faith - believing in Christ's death on the cross as a complete and perfect atonement for all sin - but only for those who believe. You are absolutely right in your comment above:

I teach and believe that Jesus offers everyone salvation but it is OUR choice to accept it or reject it.

Just looking at outward effects, Calvinism seems to help some people who are coming from very man-centered versions of Christianity. On the other hand, it creates fear and depression in many who can struggle for years not knowing if they are Calvin's version of "elect". And worse, it creates pride in some others who are sure that they are Calvin's "elect".

May we just grow in our humility and trust that He who comes to God through Jesus Christ God will in no wise cast out.

Alec

Martha said...

Discerning the "fruits of John Calvin's life", I did not know that he was actually saved and born again by the Spirit of our LORD.

Replacement theology.....replacing the saving grace of our LORD Jesus Christ with the doctrines of a man named John Calvin, who appeared religious, and yet, was his heart truly changed? And how many "Calvinists" of our day, are condemning true, born again Christ followers by the standards of a mere man named John Calvin......perhaps one day.....Calvinists will have some "splainin'" to do, in the Presence of our LORD Jesus.

I am personally not a Calvinist, and I KNOW that my eternal destination is with my Savior. Now some would consider that statement blasphemous.

The apostate church has been following the likes of this man or that man for years, promoting the doctrines of devils, and Jesus is still standing outside of the "door" just awaitin' to come in and fellowship with the human heart/souls.....no wonder we see the word "Icabod" over the doors of many a church building.


I find it ironic how we are supposed to follow this man or than woman, of great religious importance, whether past or present, instead of following the Only One who actually does the saving....our LORD Jesus Christ. Even He said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." And that is a promise only an eternal LORD and Savior can make.

And men and women of religion get so "bitter and angry" with those of us who don't want the wares and tares from the religious crowds as if they have the power and authority to save the human soul.


Martha - the one that believes in the literal Genesis creation record :).

Anonymous said...

Hi Glen,
The link on using the Bible instead of devotionals - I agree. The Bible itself is the best source.
My church has recently asked everyone to purchase a paperback: With Christ in the School of Prayer by Andrew Murray. They want everyone to read it. Thumbing through it, one chapter is entitled: The secret of believing prayer.
It bothers me when writers imply there are secrets in the Bible - Reminds me of that book "The secret....." Reading the Bible regarding prayer doesn't leave you with a 'secret' to be discovered....
Reminds me of that book The Secret.
Am I over reacting? Any thoughts on Andrew Murray? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Wow, ok, Alec and Martha (the literal Genesis creation believer :) ),

You both summed up in such a wonderful and grace-filled way why my husband and I are also not Calvinists.

Alec: "Just looking at outward effects, Calvinism seems to help some people who are coming from very man-centered versions of Christianity. On the other hand, it creates fear and depression in many who can struggle for years not knowing if they are Calvin's version of "elect". And worse, it creates pride in some others who are sure that they are Calvin's "elect"."

Wonderfully said. And yes, we've seen both types, those burdened with fear and depression, and those who are drowning in pride. The rest of your comments were just on point, I couldn't agree more (especially the sticky film comment). And like you, I also found Calvinism very damaging.

Martha: "Discerning the "fruits of John Calvin's life"... and all your remarks about not following men...

Yes, yes, yes. If you read Ephesians 5 fruit of the Spirit, then read historical accounts of Calvin's character (of which there are many), let's just say things don't line up well. To parallel some of your thoughts, I do find it amusing that most reformed believers will give MUCH grace to Calvin's behavior, and still call him a brother in Christ, because they agree with his theology. But any non-Calvinist were to behave the same way as Calvin did, they'd be labeled "unbeliever" in a heartbeat. It's an irony that basically all Calvinists I've encountered cannot see.

Actually, Martha, I was going to bring up the issues with Calvin's character into this discussion, but you got there first. :)

Martha: "I am personally not a Calvinist, and I KNOW that my eternal destination is with my Savior.". Yes. It is that simple.

And yes, Glenn, as always, thank you for reminding everyone to read Scripture through Biblical eyes, not through any slanted framework. Romans 9-11, Ephesians 1-3, etc, actually make perfect sense when read *as written*, and not from a reformed pov.

-Carolyn

Joe said...

I am troubled by the anger in the response of Calvinists. As for me, I choose not to follow Apollos, Calvin or Paul but Christ (One might check out 1 Corinthians 3).

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Joe,

That has always been something I've been surprised at -- the anger of Calvinists when you disagree with their theology. They are so arrogant in their "election," that it comes out in anger. Which tells me they must be truly insecure in their position.

Martha said...

Carolyn,

Your response is very sweet. And you point out the double standards regarding the Calvinists, so simply and eloquently. They give volumes of grace to the character of Calvin, and yet, point out the "sins" of those who do not subscribe to their false doctrines. I wonder what Jesus would have to say to those who follow a man named Calvin?

And frankly, why in this world are people placing the name of Calvin, ie. "Calvinists", way above and beyond the Name of Jesus.....when I became born again, my soul immediately desired to follow Jesus Christ instead of the men and women I used to place as "mediators" between my Father, Who are in Heaven, and myself.

Funny how it is when you walk into a church these days, they shove all of these books, cd's, and dvd's in your face to munch on, because after all, they do not believe that you are saved unless you are digesting their "favored men and women's" penned writings, sermons, Bible study curriculums, and wearing their prescribed T-shirts with their church's name and leadership names screen printed on the front and back.

And when you say "no" to all of that evangelical subculture lifestyle, and pick up your Bible and read it, study it, and meditate upon the precepts of God's Word, allowing the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you.....well then....those "religious church" members will pick up their weapons to destroy you. After all, you cannot have faith in Jesus Christ, our Living LORD and Savior....without them. And religious church folks can be some of the most abusive people that I have ever known to walk the face of this earth.....and yet.....just like Calvin.....they "SAY" that they follow the Jesus of the Bible with their mouths, and yet their hearts are far, far, far away from the fruits of the Spirit.

There are many of us out here, so terribly and horrifically hurt by "church people," and have forgiven and moved on, growing in our faith without their "religious prescriptions of poisonous doctrines."

And the funny thing is....they seem to hate it all the more, when you find the joy, peace, mercy and grace, and the love of Christ in your life......without them. :) :) :)

Love the Scriptures you posted Carolyn. And I love it that you know Jesus, personally as your own. Please keep encouraging the saints as you do, sister!

Martha - the one that believes in the literal Genesis creation

Martha said...

Glenn,

"--the anger of Calvinists when you disagree with their theology." Yes! Men and women get very "emotional" over their pets doctrines and the fruits of their anger are name calling, sometimes swearing and cussing at you, stating that you are not saved because you do not agree with them or Calvin, sometimes broken friendships, and even, them meddling into your family affairs to cause division....and at times I have seen Calvinists destroy marriage relationships leading to divorce.

All in the name of a false jesus…...because their "father" is not the God of our Holy Scriptures. They will have their rewards.

Martha = the one who believes in the literal Genesis creation

Anonymous said...

Jesse,

If you actually take the time to read through the Westminister confession, the 1689 London Baptist confession, or the Westminister shorter Catechism for example, you will find that there is an internal consistency that clarifies your objections.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Anonymous,

Sorry, but I've read them and they are just typical Calvinist nonsense. They are consistent in that they are Calvinist and don't clarify any objections.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Kathryn,

For some reason your comment didn’t come to my inbox and I just found it in the moderation hold.

First, I have no problem at all understanding the sovereignty of God. When Scripture says God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, He hardened it by what he did, i.e., Pharaoh hardened his own heart due to God’s actions. In the same way a husband can harden his wife’s heart against him by being abusive to her; the husband doesn’t force her to harden her heart, but his actions caused her to harden her own heart.

Read the text and see that more than once it says Pharaoh hardened his own heart (8:15, 32;
9:34)

It also may be that God temporarily hardened Pharaoh’s heart for a purpose, but after that ONE purpose Pharaoh still had the opportunity to repent and change his heart, but God knew he wouldn’t.

I’ve never suggested that God is not in complete control, completely sovereign. My only claim has ever been that, IN His sovereignty, God allows man the free will to chose or reject the offer of salvation. God does not force man to accept Him, as the Calvinists teach with “irresistible grace.” But God does indeed KNOW in His omniscience who will or will not choose to accept the gift of salvation.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Anonymous July 2, 2018 at 7:40 AM,

I’m sorry, I just noticed you asked about Andrew Murray!

I’ve never read Murray, but searching the net I found complaints of him being self-focussed in his devotionals, with much eisegesis. Being Dutch Reformed he would definitely have been Calvinist in his theology, yet he is said to have had an Arminian view in his earlier life. The Berean Call lists him among “renowned men of faith” who were “non-cessationists,” — i.e. charismatic in their beliefs. Apparently he was somewhat of a mystic. While skimming the net I found many who called him a false teacher and many who seem to love him.

I’ve never read anything by Murray so cannot give a personal opinion, but I would be reticent about recommending him based on what I’ve come across on Google.

Anonymous said...

Glenn,
I agree with your comments about the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart. God is indeed in control but also gives man a choice. A dichotomy that is hard to understand, but I’m thankful it doesn’t have to be reasoned out by my finite mind! You explained it very well.

Kathryn