We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum. A.W. Tozer

Thursday, June 30, 2011

Did They Really Say That?

“STATUS OF ADAM IN PRE-EXISTENCE.  The first man placed upon the earth was a perfect being, a son of God.  He was Michael, the Archangel, who had reached great distinction and power before he ever came to this earth; and who helped to frame this earth while he was yet a spirit, just as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was a spirit before he was born in Bethlehem.”
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1:90 (italics in the original)
Who does the Bible say was the first man on earth?  Adam.
How can Michael the Archangel be a man, since humans and angels are different creations?
How could anyone pre-exist in the spiritual state when 1 Cor. 15:44-46 says the “natural” comes before the spiritual?
Who do you trust - the author of the Word of God or Joseph Fielding Smith?


A Watchman on the Wall said...

I watched this fabulous DVD -

The Bible VS. Joseph Smith

If anyone is interested - I would highly recommend it.


Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Yep, I have a stack of those for passing out. A couple more good ones to expose the LDS for the fraud that it is:

The Bible vs The Book of Mormon

DNA vs the Book of Mormon

Jesus Christ - Joseph Smith

A Watchman on the Wall said...

Thanks, I'll check into these as well.

Have a blessed 4th.

Anonymous said...

Jeremiah 1:5

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

Oops. God must have gotten confused on the order, natural first then spiritual.

Are you brave enough to post and answer?

Glenn E. Chatfield said...


Typical twisting of Scripture. God is outside of time and sees the end from the beginning. To Him it is all as one. That doesn't mean that He knew Jeremiah in time prior to his birth, rather He knew him outside of time. God sees everyone who will ever be born before they are born because He sees the future, not because they were spirits pre-existing.

Try again.